Optic Nerve Imaging: Studies & Resources

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The discussion revolves around the imaging of the optic nerve in response to specific images or colors. Participants explore the types of tests and imaging techniques that could be relevant to this topic, including visual evoked potentials (VEP), CT, MRI, and PET-MRI scans.

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  • Some participants inquire about studies or resources related to imaging the optic nerve when exposed to specific stimuli, expressing interest in the topic.
  • One participant suggests looking into visual evoked potential tests, noting that while these tests do not provide traditional imaging, they assess the conduction of signals through the optic nerve.
  • Another participant questions the meaning of "imaging the optic nerve," indicating a preference for understanding electrical recordings over traditional imaging methods.
  • It is proposed that tests like CT and MRI visualize the structure of the optic nerve but do not capture the signals transmitted along it.
  • Participants discuss the limitations of PET-MRI in capturing rapid signals and its potential inability to provide sufficient resolution for imaging a single nerve.
  • One participant clarifies that EEG is generally better suited for capturing the pulses moving along neurons, as demonstrated by VEP tests.

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Participants express differing views on what constitutes "imaging" the optic nerve, with some favoring electrical recordings like VEP while others focus on structural imaging techniques. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to study the optic nerve in response to visual stimuli.

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Participants highlight the limitations of various imaging techniques, such as the inability of CT and MRI to show signal transmission and the potential inadequacies of PET-MRI in capturing rapid neural activity.

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Are there any studies or resources related to imaging of the optic nerve when participants are exposed to specific images or colors? I can't seem to find anything relating to this topic, but I think it would be interesting.
 
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Ryan McCann said:
Are there any studies or resources related to imaging of the optic nerve when participants are exposed to specific images or colors? I can't seem to find anything relating to this topic, but I think it would be interesting.

You might try looking for a visual evoked potential test, the test is done to detect issues in the conduction of signal through the optic nerve (can be used to diagnose MS) and consist of administering an EEG to the patient while showing them an image (usually a checkerboard). It therefore isn't quite the imaging you probably mean (as in doing the test while a person is in a CT or MRI scanner) but it's probably the closest thing so far as a commonplace test goes.

Diagram of a VEP test set-up:
http://tidsskriftet.no/image/2013/T-12-1176-03-ENG-Over.jpg
 
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Ryan McCann said:
Are there any studies or resources related to imaging of the optic nerve when participants are exposed to specific images or colors? I can't seem to find anything relating to this topic, but I think it would be interesting.

What do you mean by 'imaging the optic nerve"? I could understand electrical recordings, but not imaging.
 
Andy Resnick said:
What do you mean by 'imaging the optic nerve"? I could understand electrical recordings, but not imaging.
I suppose some sort of test that shows the signal transmitted through the optic nerve.
 
Ryan McCann said:
I suppose some sort of test that shows the signal transmitted through the optic nerve.

Then the VEP would be what you're looking for, tests that usually are referred to as imaging, such as CT or MRI wouldn't be able to show you the signal being transmitted. As CT and MRI would only visualize the structure of the optic nerve and not the signal traveling along the optic nerve. It might be best to think of a CT and MRI like taking an x-ray of a TV, you'll be able to see all the bits and pieces that make up the tv but the X-ray won't be able to show you the image the tv was displaying at the time.

A PET-MRI, which is basically an MRI with color added to show activity, might be able to show the activity along the neuron (like showing which bits of the tv are ative), however a PET-MRI likely wouldn't be fast enough to capture a single signal and might not have the resolution needed to image a single nerve, even one as relatively big as the optic nerve. Especially given the location of the optic nerve, which is lying for the most part directly below the frontal lobe.

The pulses moving along neuron's are generally best captured by EEG. Which is what a VEP does (the bottom right figure is the read out of the EEG and the dips and spikes in it would be the signal traveling through the optic nerve to the brain.
 
galadriel3562 said:
Then the VEP would be what you're looking for, tests that usually are referred to as imaging, such as CT or MRI wouldn't be able to show you the signal being transmitted. As CT and MRI would only visualize the structure of the optic nerve and not the signal traveling along the optic nerve. It might be best to think of a CT and MRI like taking an x-ray of a TV, you'll be able to see all the bits and pieces that make up the tv but the X-ray won't be able to show you the image the tv was displaying at the time.

A PET-MRI, which is basically an MRI with color added to show activity, might be able to show the activity along the neuron (like showing which bits of the tv are ative), however a PET-MRI likely wouldn't be fast enough to capture a single signal and might not have the resolution needed to image a single nerve, even one as relatively big as the optic nerve. Especially given the location of the optic nerve, which is lying for the most part directly below the frontal lobe.

The pulses moving along neuron's are generally best captured by EEG. Which is what a VEP does (the bottom right figure is the read out of the EEG and the dips and spikes in it would be the signal traveling through the optic nerve to the brain.
Thank you, I didn't know that regular MRI's couldn't be used to pick up the signal. I'll read more about visual evoked potential tests, since they're exactly what I'm looking for.
 

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