Optical Activity: How Do Chiral Molecules Rotate Light?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the phenomenon of optical activity in chiral molecules and how these molecules rotate light. Participants explore the physical mechanisms behind this rotation, including the role of electric fields and electron polarization, as well as the implications of molecular symmetry.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how chiral molecules physically rotate light, suggesting a potential connection to electric field interactions.
  • Another participant explains that the electric fields of the optical wave polarize the electron clouds, leading to emitted electrical fields that can rotate due to the molecule's low symmetry.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the isotropic nature of molecular orientations in solution and questions how only certain orientations contribute significantly to light rotation.
  • Further inquiries are made about the nature of electron cloud polarization and its relationship to the rotation of the plane of polarization of light.
  • Another participant elaborates that electric fields cause charge separation in molecules, resulting in polarization that varies with light frequency, and that asymmetry in the molecule leads to a tilt in the polarization direction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and confusion regarding the mechanisms of optical activity, with no consensus reached on the explanations provided. Multiple viewpoints and questions remain regarding the nature of electron polarization and its effects.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the definitions and implications of polarization in the context of electromagnetic fields and molecular symmetry, as well as the specific conditions under which certain molecular orientations affect light rotation.

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"Optical activity is the tendency of chiral molecules to rotate ppl" how does a chiral molecule rotate light? Is it because of interaction of electric fields? Anyone please help me? I just need to know how a molecule physically does that?
 
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The electric fields of the optical wave polarize the electron clouds. The moving polarization of the electron clouds in turn leads to electrical fields which are partially emitted. However, the electric fields are not always emitted at the same point where the polarization and currents have been induced. If the resultant fields are furthermore rotated with respect to the incoming wave due to the low symmetry of the molecule, the polarization axis of the resultant field will be rotated.
 
I struggle with this concept myself too. In solution, molecules are rotated in every direction so you'd think that the polarisation induced by the electric field of the wave would be isotropic and cancel each other out. But I suppose only some of the orientations (meaning which way they're rotated) can rotate the light significantly, so the other orientations can be ignored.

I don't fully understand your explanation DrDu. When the incoming wave polarises the electron cloud, how does the emitted electrical field cause the incoming electrical field to rotate? Polarisation of electron clouds, that's just a shift of electron density isn't it? Is that what you mean by polarisation, or are you saying the electron waves get polarised in the same way light waves do? I think there should be a different term for EM polarisation, its more to do with anisotropy than polarity.
 
DrDu said:
The electric fields of the optical wave polarize the electron clouds. The moving polarization of the electron clouds in turn leads to electrical fields which are partially emitted. However, the electric fields are not always emitted at the same point where the polarization and currents have been induced. If the resultant fields are furthermore rotated with respect to the incoming wave due to the low symmetry of the molecule, the polarization axis of the resultant field will be rotated.


How does the electron cloud gets polarized? And even when it gets polarized due to the lights electric field how does it help to rotate the plane of ppl?
 
Vivek des said:
How does the electron cloud gets polarized?
Electric fields exert forces on the electrons and oppositely on the nuclei. Hence the centers of charge will separate and you will get a polarisation varying with the frequency of the incoming light. However, if the molecule isn't symmetrical, the polarisation will not be strictly along the direction of the incoming field. Hence the field of the fluctuating dipoles will be tilted as compared to the incoming field, i.e. the plane of polarisation gets rotated.
 
Thanks a lot DrDu :)
 

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