Optimal Methods for Factoring Equations

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The discussion revolves around methods for factoring polynomial equations, specifically the expression 3a + 6a² + 15a³. Participants explore different approaches to factoring, the validity of their methods compared to those provided by Wolfram Alpha, and preferences for presentation in mathematical contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that their method of factoring, such as 3a(1 + 2a + 5a²), is correct and aligns with results from Wolfram Alpha, despite it not being the first option listed.
  • Others point out that Wolfram Alpha provides alternative factorizations, such as 3a(5a² + 2a + 1), suggesting multiple valid forms exist.
  • A participant questions whether there is a preferred method for factoring, such as arranging terms by highest exponent or avoiding the use of 1 in the factors.
  • There is a discussion about the equivalence of different factored forms and whether a specific layout is preferred by examiners.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about what format is best, with one noting a preference for the layout used in the original post.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method for factoring or the preferred presentation format. Multiple competing views on the validity of different factorizations and their presentation remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference different outputs from Wolfram Alpha and Mathematica, indicating that the results may depend on the input format or version used, but do not resolve the implications of these differences.

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I'm factoring some equations and the way I do it seems correct and Wolfram often lists my way of factoring it but it's like the 5th or 6th one down.

Just wondering if it's like fractions where the best answer is the lowest the fraction can be reduced to.

For example I say that:

3a+6a^2+15a^3 = 3a(1+2a+5a^2)

Wolfram doesn't list my way of factoring it when I input the equation to be factored, but I know it's correct because when I input my factored form instead of the original problem, it lists the original problem as a solution.

Any particular way to be factoring these? Like highest exponenets first, not using 1 ect?
 
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uperkurk said:
I'm factoring some equations and the way I do it seems correct and Wolfram often lists my way of factoring it but it's like the 5th or 6th one down.

Just wondering if it's like fractions where the best answer is the lowest the fraction can be reduced to.

For example I say that:

3a+6a^2+15a^3 = 3a(1+2a+5a^2)
That is simply the "distributive law": a(b+ c)= ab+ ac.

Wolfram doesn't list my way of factoring it when I input the equation to be factored, but I know it's correct because when I input my factored form instead of the original problem, it lists the original problem as a solution.
I am puzzled by your saying this. When I put "3a+ 6a^3+ 15a^3" into Wolfram alpha, it gives me quite a lot of information- such as the real root, 0, and two complex roots, and one thing it tells me is that it can also be written as "3a(5a^2+ 2a+ 1)".

Any particular way to be factoring these? Like highest exponenets first, not using 1 ect?
 
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uperkurk said:
I'm factoring some equations and the way I do it seems correct and Wolfram often lists my way of factoring it but it's like the 5th or 6th one down.

Just wondering if it's like fractions where the best answer is the lowest the fraction can be reduced to.

For example I say that:

3a+6a^2+15a^3 = 3a(1+2a+5a^2)

Wolfram doesn't list my way of factoring it when I input the equation to be factored, but I know it's correct because when I input my factored form instead of the original problem, it lists the original problem as a solution.

Any particular way to be factoring these? Like highest exponenets first, not using 1 ect?
Mathematica 8 gives your answer with either of the following inputs: Factor[3 x + 6 x^2 + 15 x^3] or Factor[3x + 6x^2 + 15x^3]. What version or format are you using? Note "Factor" must begin with a capital F and the expression must be put within square brackets, etc.
 
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What I mean is which is prefered?

http://www4c.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP28661e08b41157f5gd7f000040c225hah823i3e2?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=44&w=117.&h=18.

http://www4c.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP6901egf7iaae09973c30000473gfi1489a2g5df?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=62&w=120.&h=18.

http://www4c.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP37931i702gba3e39i9350000348g19dci0927517?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=16&w=116.&h=22.

Are these all completely 100% equivalent or would an examiner prefer to see a certain layout?
 
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uperkurk said:
What I mean is which is prefered?

http://www4c.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP28661e08b41157f5gd7f000040c225hah823i3e2?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=44&w=117.&h=18.

http://www4c.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP6901egf7iaae09973c30000473gfi1489a2g5df?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=62&w=120.&h=18.

http://www4c.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/MSP37931i702gba3e39i9350000348g19dci0927517?MSPStoreType=image/gif&s=16&w=116.&h=22.

Are these all completely 100% equivalent or would an examiner prefer to see a certain layout?
I don't know what an examiner would prefer, but the layout you used in the original post is both my preferred way and what Mathematical used. I don't see a bunch of choices like you suggested. Mathematica 8 only gave me 3 a ( 1 + 2 a + 5 a^2)!
 
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