Optimization Problem Homework: Find Largest Positive Number

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The discussion revolves around finding the positive number that exceeds its square by the largest amount, specifically within the interval (0,1). Participants are exploring the mathematical implications of this problem and the appropriate setup for analysis.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are attempting to differentiate various expressions to find the maximum value, with some suggesting the use of reciprocal functions while others advocate for using the variable x directly. Questions arise regarding the appropriateness of different mathematical setups, such as using x^2 versus 1/x.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants expressing confusion over the reasoning behind different approaches. Some have provided insights into their thought processes, while others are questioning assumptions and interpretations of the problem. No consensus has been reached, and multiple interpretations are being explored.

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Participants note that the problem may be more complex than initially assumed, with some expressing uncertainty about the implications of their calculations and the nature of the maximum value sought.

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Homework Statement



Find the positive number that exceeds its square by the largest amount. Obviously this is on the open interval (0,1).

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[tex]F(x) = ( \frac{1}{n} ) ^2 - n \Rightarrow F'(x) = \frac{-2}{n^3} - 1 = 0<br /> \Rightarrow 1 = \frac{-2}{n^3} \Rightarrow n^3 = -2[/tex]

This is where I'm stuck. Taking the Cubic Root of a Negative number only nets
me a complex number. The answer at the back says its 1/2.
 
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Hi Lorek! :smile:
Lorek said:
Find the positive number that exceeds its square by the largest amount. Obviously this is on the open interval (0,1).

why are you using 1/n2 instead of x2 ?? :confused:

but if you must, you should use 1/n also, not n :wink:
 
I don't understand why you need to use [tex]\frac{1}{x}[/tex] instead of x.

Its asking for the positive number that is greater than its square at its maximum.

[tex]x^2 = x[/tex]

Since its number can only be greater than its square as a fraction I used (1/x)^2.

Your saying I should set it up as
[tex]\frac{1}{x^2} - \frac{1}{x}[/tex] ?

I don't understand why though.
 
Hi Lorek! :smile:

Sorry, I don't understand any of your reasoning. :redface:

It's much easier to use the number x itself than its reciprocal, ie to differentiate x2 - x …

if you must use the reciprocal, y = 1/x, then it's 1/y2 - 1/y …

you'll just have to think about this until you see it :smile:
 
We're looking for the largest number x that is greater than its square.

Setting the problem up as [tex]x^2 -x[/tex] and then differentiating says its maximum
is at 1/2.

The problem I see with that setup is if you take 0.99 and square it you get .9801. (original number larger than its square)
0.99 is larger than 1/2 (0.5).
Since we're looking for the largest number x that is greater than its square, and .99 falls into that category seeing as .99^2 = .9801.
0.99 > 0.9801 so it qualifies. Shouldn't the answer be The limit as x -> infinity of 1/1+(1/x).
 
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No, 0.99 - 0.992 = 0.99 - 0.9801 = 0.0099. :wink:
 
x^2 = x. We're looking for the largest number that that holds true.

rearranging we got x^2-x = 0.

Plugging in 0.99 to x nets us:
0.99^2 - 0.99 = -0.0099 (not quite 0 but pretty close)

Since -0.0099 != 0 that's a problem.

.5 ^2 - .5 = -.25
-.25 != 0. (no where near 0).

The closest number which gets to x^2 = x is [tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow \infty} \frac{1}{1 + \frac{1}{x}}[/tex]

Update: I'm heading into bed. I'll just ask my math teacher when I see him tomorrow. Its a tough problem for being problem #1 in the book.
 
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Lorek said:
Find the positive number that exceeds its square by the largest amount.
Lorek said:
x^2 = x. We're looking for the largest number that that holds true.

No, you're looking for the largest value of x - x2.
 

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