Power series: radius of convergence

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The discussion revolves around finding the radius of convergence for the power series ##\sum_{n=0}^\infty \frac {2^n+3^n}{4^n+5^n} x^n##. Participants are exploring convergence tests, particularly the root test, to analyze the behavior of the series as n approaches infinity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss applying the root test and express uncertainty about handling limits. Questions arise regarding the behavior of the numerator and denominator in the limit, and the dominance of terms in large n scenarios is considered. Some participants suggest alternative tests like the ratio test.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and guidance on simplifying the limit expressions. There is recognition of the need to include ##x^n## in the limit to determine the interval of convergence. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the dominant terms in the series.

Contextual Notes

Participants note minor points about the notation used in the summation and emphasize the importance of correctly applying convergence tests. There is also mention of specific conditions regarding the center of the series and the implications for convergence at the boundaries.

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Homework Statement
radius of convergence of the following power series
##\sum_{k=0}^\infty \frac {2^n+3^n}{4^n+5^n} x^n##
Relevant Equations
convergence tests
##\sum_{k=0}^\infty \frac {2^n+3^n}{4^n+5^n} x^n##

in order to find the radius of convergence i apply the root test, that is

##\lim_{n \rightarrow +\infty} \sqrt [n]\frac {2^n+3^n}{4^n+5^n}##

##\lim_{n \rightarrow +\infty} \left(\frac {2^n+3^n}{4^n+5^n}\right)^\left(\frac 1 n\right)=\lim_{n \rightarrow +\infty} \left(\frac {3^n \left(\frac {2^n}{3^n}+1\right)}{5^n\left(\frac{4^n }{5^n}+1\right)}\right)^\left(\frac 1 n\right)= \lim_{n \rightarrow +\infty} \left(\frac {3} {5}\right) \left(\frac {\left(\left(\frac {2} {3}\right)^n +1\right)} {\left(\left(\frac{4 } {5}\right)^n+1 \right)}\right)^\left (\frac 1 n \right)=\left(\frac {3} {5}\right) \lim_{n \rightarrow +\infty} \left(\frac {\left(\left(\frac {2} {3}\right)^n +1\right)^\left (\frac 1 n \right)} {\left(\left(\frac{4 } {5}\right)^n+1 \right)^\left (\frac 1 n \right)}\right)##

at this point i am stuck, don't know how to handle it, probably i am forgetting some properties in order to simplify, supposing that up to here i did it correctly.
 
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How does the limit of the denominator behave? How about the limit of the numerator?
 
##\lim_{n \rightarrow +\infty}e^\left(\frac {log\left(1+\left(\frac 2 3\right)^n\right)}{n}\right)=\lim_{n \rightarrow +\infty}e^\left(\left(\frac 2 3\right)^n\frac 1n\right) ##

in which

##\lim_{n \rightarrow +\infty}\left(\frac 2 3\right)^n=0##

##\lim_{n \rightarrow +\infty}\frac 1n=0##

hence, putting it all together

##\lim_{n \rightarrow +\infty}e^\left(0\right)= e^0=1##

then same procedure for the denominator

is all this correct ?
 
I think that @scottdave is hinting at something simpler. Which term in the numerator dominates for large n? Ignore the other term. Same for the denominator.
 
DottZakapa said:
Homework Statement:: radius of convergence of the following power series
##\sum_{k=0}^\infty \frac {2^n+3^n}{4^n+5^n} x^n##
Relevant Equations:: convergence tests

##\sum_{k=0}^\infty \frac {2^n+3^n}{4^n+5^n} x^n##

in order to find the radius of convergence i apply the root test, that is
Minor point, but the summation should be on n rather than k, or else all the exponents should be k.
DottZakapa said:
##\lim_{n \rightarrow +\infty} \sqrt [n]\frac {2^n+3^n}{4^n+5^n}##
The limit should be applied to the whole n-th term. IOW, including ##x^n##.
DottZakapa said:
##\lim_{n \rightarrow +\infty} \left(\frac {2^n+3^n}{4^n+5^n}\right)^\left(\frac 1 n\right)=\lim_{n \rightarrow +\infty} \left(\frac {3^n \left(\frac {2^n}{3^n}+1\right)}{5^n\left(\frac{4^n }{5^n}+1\right)}\right)^\left(\frac 1 n\right)= \lim_{n \rightarrow +\infty} \left(\frac {3} {5}\right) \left(\frac {\left(\left(\frac {2} {3}\right)^n +1\right)} {\left(\left(\frac{4 } {5}\right)^n+1 \right)}\right)^\left (\frac 1 n \right)=\left(\frac {3} {5}\right) \lim_{n \rightarrow +\infty} \left(\frac {\left(\left(\frac {2} {3}\right)^n +1\right)^\left (\frac 1 n \right)} {\left(\left(\frac{4 } {5}\right)^n+1 \right)^\left (\frac 1 n \right)}\right)##

at this point i am stuck, don't know how to handle it, probably i am forgetting some properties in order to simplify, supposing that up to here i did it correctly.
As already noted, the fraction behaves the same as ##\frac {3^n}{5^n}## in the limit.

Also, you seem to automatically pick the Root Test, at least in two or three threads I've seen. Other tests, such as the Ratio Test, can sometimes be simpler to apply.
 
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in the numerator dominates ##3^n## in the denominator ## 5^n #### \Rightarrow \lim_{n \rightarrow +\infty} \sqrt [n]\frac {2^n+3^n}{4^n+5^n}\sim \lim_{n \rightarrow +\infty} ####\sqrt [n]{ \left(\frac 3 5 \right)^n} \sim \frac 3 5##

correct?
 
DottZakapa said:
in the numerator dominates ##3^n## in the denominator ## 5^n #### \Rightarrow \lim_{n \rightarrow +\infty} \sqrt [n]\frac {2^n+3^n}{4^n+5^n}\sim \lim_{n \rightarrow +\infty} ####\sqrt [n]{ \left(\frac 3 5 \right)^n} \sim \frac 3 5##

correct?
Yes, but again, you need to include ##x^n## in the limit. Otherwise you won't be able to get the interval of convergence.
 
Mark44 said:
Yes, but again, you need to include xnxnx^n in the limit. Otherwise you won't be able to get the interval of convergence.

given

##\sum_{n=0}^\infty \frac {2^n+3^n}{4^n+5^n} x^n##

the professor showed us to see it as

##\sum_{n=0}^\infty a_n x^n##

and then study ##a_n## as you have seen i do.

Concerning the x in case x is not centred at 0 then i use the substitution ## t= (x-x_0)## or what ever equation, then, once found the radius.|t|<R

-R<t<R

then study the boundaries

Don't know if i made my self clear 😅

This is why i repeatedly solve in this way
 
Here's a slightly simpler problem ( so that I don't have to write so much), but with exactly the same interval of convergence -- ##\sum_{n = 0}^\infty \frac{3^n x^n}{5^n}##
Using the Ratio Test, I have
##\lim_{n \to \infty}\frac{3^{n + 1} |x|^{n + 1}}{5^{x + 1}} \cdot \frac{5^n}{3^n |x|^n}##
##= \frac{3|x|} 5##

For absolute convergence, we must have ##\frac{3|x|} 5 \Rightarrow |x| < \frac 5 3##
or ## -\frac 5 3 < x < \frac 5 3##
The only things remaining are to check the two endpoints of the interval for convergence.
 

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