Optimize Work and Time Equations: Formula for Calculating Completion Time"

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The discussion revolves around optimizing work and time equations related to two workers, A and B, and their combined efforts to complete a task. The original poster attempts to derive a formula to calculate the time it takes for both workers to finish the job based on their individual contributions and the progress made so far.

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  • Participants explore the calculations related to the completion rates of workers A and B, questioning the setup of the equations and the interpretation of the fractions representing their work output. There are attempts to isolate variables and understand the implications of the work done over time.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the calculations and questioning the correctness of the original equations. Some participants express confusion about the terms used and the logic behind the calculations, while others offer clarifications and alternative perspectives on how to approach the problem.

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There is a focus on understanding the fractions of work completed and the implications of the time taken by each worker. Participants are navigating through assumptions about the rates of work and the relationships between the variables involved.

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Homework Statement
A does 80% of a work in 20 days. He then calls in B and they together finish the remaining work in 3 days. How long B alone would take to do the whole work?
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I came up with this formula.

A takes 20 days to have 80% completion. Simple algebra gets that A takes 25 days to complete finish by themselves. Now I'm trying to come up with a formula.

##1/.8(1/25) = 1/20## with 80% completion. Now I'm working with the remaining 20%. ## 1/.2(1/25+1/b)##, where b is the total amount of days B takes to finish 1 work. The sum should be 1/23, ie:

##1/.8(1/25)+1/.2(1/25+1/b) = 1/23##

So I should isolate b to find the number of days B takes to finish alone. In doing so I get a negative number...

What's wrong with my reasoning?
 
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How much work does A do per day as a function of the total work to be done?
 
phinds said:
...as a function of the total work to be done

I know A can complete work alone in 25 days. So 1 day A will do 1/25. Is this what your asking? Sorry just confused
 
GlassBones said:
I know A can complete work alone in 25 days. So 1 day A will do 1/25. Is this what your asking? Sorry just confused

Right. That's usually what you want to do in these problems, is figure out the fraction per day that each person does.

So A working alone does 1/25 of the job in a day.

Now, given that the team of A + B does 0.20 of a job in 3 days, how much of a job does the team of A + B do in one day?

Do you see what knowing that tells you about B's work output?
 
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GlassBones said:
##1/.8(1/25)+1/.2(1/25+1/b) = 1/23##

So I should isolate b to find the number of days B takes to finish alone. In doing so I get a negative number...

What's wrong with my reasoning?

This does look like it may be doing some of the correct calculations but I can't quite understand your equations.

What does 1/.8 represent? Why are you dividing by the fraction of the job done?

If your first term is equal to 1/20, the reciprocal of the number of days A works, then your second term will be 1/3, the reciprocal of the number of days A + B work together to complete the 0.20 of the job.

But then your equation says (1/20) + (1/3) = (1/23) which is obviously not true.

I think your individual terms on the left are OK, but all you have to do is use the fact that the second term is 1/3. They don't add up to 1/23. And it would be even easier if you worked with the number of days, rather than its reciprocal.
 
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RPinPA said:
But then your equation says (1/20) + (1/3) = (1/23) which is obviously not true.

...yes there's the issue with my reasoning. I can't believe I made this mistake. Thanks everything makes sense
 
GlassBones said:
phinds said:
How much work does A do per day as a function of the total work to be done?
I know A can complete work alone in 25 days. So 1 day A will do 1/25. Is this what your asking? Sorry just confused
An alternate way to answer @phinds 's question is:

A can do 4% of a whole work in one day.

Then the question can be answered as follows.

The remaining 20% of a whole work takes A&B 3 days to complete of which A does 3 × 4% = 12%.

So in 3 days B did 8% of a whole work.

Let x be the number of days for B alone to do (100% of) a whole work. Then we have the following proportion.

##\displaystyle \frac{8\%}{100\%}=\frac{3}{x} ##
 
You can also compute what percent of the work A has done by the 3rd day and take it from there. B will do the remainder and you can compare the rates.
 

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