I Optimizing Lunar Power: North vs. South Poles for Mining and Moonbase Sites

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The discussion centers on the optimal location for lunar mining and establishing a Moonbase, comparing the North and South Poles. Key points include the importance of solar power accessibility, with the North Pole having peaks that receive nearly constant sunlight and potential ice resources, while the South Pole offers shorter periods of darkness. Shadowing effects from multiple solar arrays on the same peaks could disrupt power supply, necessitating battery storage solutions. The conversation also touches on the logistical challenges of transporting materials across the Moon's surface and the suitability of each pole for mining operations. Ultimately, the consensus leans towards the poles as prime locations for initial exploration and resource extraction.
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stefan r said:
Opposite sides of a hill. On a perfect sphere with no seasons you could stick the panel on a vertical mast and rotate it.

Places that are receiving sunlight are not the same places that are most likely to have 3He. At the middle equator you could always see clearly with Earthshine. The terracycle would not include a new Earth at night. The new Earth would be above close to the noon sun. At sunset you have a quarter Earth waxing and at sunset you have a quarter Earth waning. A full Earth on Luna is brighter than a full moon on Earth.

So how much energy would be produced by a panel from "a full earth" on a lunar night compared to "lunar daylight". As for the vertical mast wouldn't it be fairly easy to erect a mast at a high point near one of the poles to keep a panel in sunlight all the time?

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Very little power from a panel in Earthshine. The albedo of the Earth is 0.37 (de Pater and Lissauer), and the Earth receives 1000W/m^2 from the Sun and appears as a disc covering 3 degrees seen from Moon. So, ballpark less than 1 Watt per square metre.
The mast would have to at least 100m high I estimate. Lunar gravity makes it a bit easier, but transport and construction... waaaaaay hard.
 
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dmac257 said:
So how much energy would be produced by a panel from "a full earth" on a lunar night compared to "lunar daylight".
The flux is lower by more than 104. Not much energy but the view is impressive. NASA astronauts are effectively soldiers so the view will not matter. For a tourism industry a poor view can kill the project.

dmac257 said:
...As for the vertical mast wouldn't it be fairly easy to erect a mast at a high point near one of the poles to keep a panel in sunlight all the time?

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If you build a thriving steel industry you could build sky scrapers.

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The mast would have to at least 100m high I estimate. Lunar gravity makes it a bit easier, but transport and construction... waaaaaay hard.

NASA has this article with nice topography pictures of Shackleton crater. The top of the rim on any side is less than a kilometer wide. Is much easier to lay a conductor line 1 km than to build a 100m tower.

The slope on all sides gets over 30% grade. You could use a cable or build roads with a lot of switchbacks. I suspect the cable is less effort unless you assume there is already an extensive road building infrastructure. The tow cable needs to haul loaded vehicles 7 to 8 kilometers. Presumably the solar panels are also providing power for vehicles working inside the crater which means we need to run 10+ km of conductive cable. You can use double the panels (place multiple locations) and have continuous coverage. A crew could also haul the panels from one side of the slope to the other if there was a demand for extra power. It is possible that the lower section of rim would be a better location because it cuts the the vertical ascent by half a kilometer.

You could also place moveable mirrors around the rim. Pillage the water in the basin and launch it out. If the primary goal is hydrogen fuel for inter-planetary missions that should work. Would be interesting to see how much fuel exhaust resettles back into the crater.
 
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Thanks, nice article in the link.
Yes, a power cable running out to two panel sites makes more sense.
I think a vehicle can be built that can handle 30% grade, and initially it's much less mass than a long cable.
How about, thinking about a minimum mass solution, a steerable mirror on the rim that directs sunlight down to solar panels on the rover?
 

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