Optimizing Lunar Power: North vs. South Poles for Mining and Moonbase Sites

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The discussion revolves around the optimal location for prospecting, mining, and establishing a Moonbase, particularly focusing on solar power generation at the lunar poles versus the equator. Participants explore the implications of solar array placement, potential shadowing issues, and the advantages of different lunar regions for sustained energy production and resource extraction.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the first solar array in permanent sunlight will have a significant advantage, as subsequent arrays could cast shadows and disrupt power generation.
  • Others argue that the Moon's tidal locking and seasonal variations mean that neither pole is always illuminated, complicating the assessment of solar power viability.
  • One participant mentions the North pole's potential for utilizing lava tubes for base construction, which could provide protection while maintaining solar access.
  • Another participant highlights that while the North pole has peaks with near-permanent sunlight, the South pole has locations with shorter periods of darkness, which could influence battery storage requirements.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the feasibility of equatorial solar farms, noting the extended periods of darkness that would necessitate large battery storage solutions.
  • There is a contention regarding the suitability of polar versus equatorial locations for telescopes, with some arguing that polar sites offer continuous observation opportunities, while others counter that they provide limited sky coverage and could interfere with deep space observations.
  • Participants discuss the implications of mining activities on telescope operations, with concerns about atmospheric disturbances caused by mining operations at the poles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the best location for lunar mining and solar power generation, with no consensus reached on the optimal site. The discussion remains unresolved, particularly concerning the advantages and disadvantages of polar versus equatorial sites.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the Moon's tilt and its tidal locking complicate the understanding of sunlight availability at different locations. Additionally, the discussion touches on the complexities of energy storage and the impact of lunar geography on mining and observational capabilities.

  • #31
stefan r said:
Opposite sides of a hill. On a perfect sphere with no seasons you could stick the panel on a vertical mast and rotate it.

Places that are receiving sunlight are not the same places that are most likely to have 3He. At the middle equator you could always see clearly with Earthshine. The terracycle would not include a new Earth at night. The new Earth would be above close to the noon sun. At sunset you have a quarter Earth waxing and at sunset you have a quarter Earth waning. A full Earth on Luna is brighter than a full moon on Earth.

So how much energy would be produced by a panel from "a full earth" on a lunar night compared to "lunar daylight". As for the vertical mast wouldn't it be fairly easy to erect a mast at a high point near one of the poles to keep a panel in sunlight all the time?

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Very little power from a panel in Earthshine. The albedo of the Earth is 0.37 (de Pater and Lissauer), and the Earth receives 1000W/m^2 from the Sun and appears as a disc covering 3 degrees seen from Moon. So, ballpark less than 1 Watt per square metre.
The mast would have to at least 100m high I estimate. Lunar gravity makes it a bit easier, but transport and construction... waaaaaay hard.
 
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  • #33
dmac257 said:
So how much energy would be produced by a panel from "a full earth" on a lunar night compared to "lunar daylight".
The flux is lower by more than 104. Not much energy but the view is impressive. NASA astronauts are effectively soldiers so the view will not matter. For a tourism industry a poor view can kill the project.

dmac257 said:
...As for the vertical mast wouldn't it be fairly easy to erect a mast at a high point near one of the poles to keep a panel in sunlight all the time?

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If you build a thriving steel industry you could build sky scrapers.

Al_ said:
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The mast would have to at least 100m high I estimate. Lunar gravity makes it a bit easier, but transport and construction... waaaaaay hard.

NASA has this article with nice topography pictures of Shackleton crater. The top of the rim on any side is less than a kilometer wide. Is much easier to lay a conductor line 1 km than to build a 100m tower.

The slope on all sides gets over 30% grade. You could use a cable or build roads with a lot of switchbacks. I suspect the cable is less effort unless you assume there is already an extensive road building infrastructure. The tow cable needs to haul loaded vehicles 7 to 8 kilometers. Presumably the solar panels are also providing power for vehicles working inside the crater which means we need to run 10+ km of conductive cable. You can use double the panels (place multiple locations) and have continuous coverage. A crew could also haul the panels from one side of the slope to the other if there was a demand for extra power. It is possible that the lower section of rim would be a better location because it cuts the the vertical ascent by half a kilometer.

You could also place moveable mirrors around the rim. Pillage the water in the basin and launch it out. If the primary goal is hydrogen fuel for inter-planetary missions that should work. Would be interesting to see how much fuel exhaust resettles back into the crater.
 
  • #34
Thanks, nice article in the link.
Yes, a power cable running out to two panel sites makes more sense.
I think a vehicle can be built that can handle 30% grade, and initially it's much less mass than a long cable.
How about, thinking about a minimum mass solution, a steerable mirror on the rim that directs sunlight down to solar panels on the rover?
 

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