Optimizing Phase Shift for Two Waves with Different Wavelengths

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The discussion revolves around optimizing the phase shift for two waves with different wavelengths, specifically focusing on the relationship between the lengths and wavelengths to achieve specific phase conditions.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relative phase shifts between two waves, attempting to set conditions for one wave to be in phase and the other to be out of phase. There are discussions about deriving equations from the phase shift conditions and manipulating them to find a valid length L.

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Some participants have provided hints and suggestions for correcting equations and exploring relationships between the variables. There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches to derive the length L that meets the phase shift requirements, but no consensus has been reached on a definitive solution.

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Participants note that they are working with two equations and three unknowns, which raises questions about the solvability of the problem. There is also an acknowledgment of the constraints imposed by the requirement for specific phase shifts.

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I am working on the following problem.

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The Attempt at a Solution



I realize that the relative phase shift between ray 1 and ray 2 will be

\frac{4L}{\lambda}

Next, I let

\frac{4L}{\lambda_a}=1

and

\frac{4L}{\lambda_b}=1.5

I did this in hopes to make the phase shift in wavelengths for \lambda_a an integer number and the phase shift for \lambda_b an integer plus 0.5 (to put the waves exactly out of phase).

I tried various paths from this point but cannot get a valid length for L that puts \lambda_a in phase and \lambda_b out of phase. Could anyone offer a suggestion on how to proceed?

Thanks
 
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Does anyone have any suggestions?
 
Hint: Since \lambda_b > \lambda_a,

\frac{4L}{\lambda_b} < \frac{4L}{\lambda_a}.
 
I have two equations with three unknowns so I should be able to solve for one variable in terms of the other two. I use these two equations

4L - \lambda_a=0 (1)

4L - 1.5\lambda_b=0 (2)

Adding both equations gives me

8L-\lambda_a-1.5\lambda_b=0

Solving for L gives me

L=\frac{\lambda_a+1.5\lambda_b}{8}

When testing this equation, I find that I don't get an integer number of wavelengths for the phase shift for \lambda_a and an integer + 0.5 wavelengths phase shift for \lambda_b.

I have also tried a few different paths but still get nowhere.
 
Reread my hint and correct these equations:
opticaltempest said:
Next, I let

\frac{4L}{\lambda_a}=1

and

\frac{4L}{\lambda_b}=1.5

opticaltempest said:
I have two equations with three unknowns so I should be able to solve for one variable in terms of the other two. I use these two equations

4L - \lambda_a=0 (1)

4L - 1.5\lambda_b=0 (2)
 
Since \lambda_b > \lambda_a we should have

\frac{4L}{\lambda_a}=1 (1)

and

\frac{4L}{\lambda_b}=0.5 (2)
 
When I subtract (2) from (1) I get the equation

\frac{4L}{\lambda_a}-\frac{4L}{\lambda_b}=1-0.5 \implies4L\bigg(\frac{1}{\lambda_a}-\frac{1}{\lambda_b}\bigg)=0.5 \implies4L\bigg(\frac{\lambda_b - \lambda_a}{\lambda_a \lambda_b}\bigg)=\frac{1}{2} \impliesL=\frac{1}{8}\frac{\lambda_a \lambda_b}{\lambda_b-\lambda_a}
Say \lambda_a=100nm and \lambda_b=120nm. Using the above equations, we find L to be 75nm. The relative phase shift between the two rays for a 100nm wavelength is

\frac{4*75nm}{100nm}=3.0

3 wavelengths phase shift puts the 100nm wavelength exactly in phase!

For the 120nm wavelength, the relative phase shift between the rays is

\frac{4*75nm}{120nm}=2.5

The relative phase shift between the two rays is 0.5 wavelengths and they are exactly out of phase. This appears to be a correct answer. I am hoping this is the least L that satisfies the problem.
 
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Looks good to me!

The most general way to express the relationship would be:

\frac{4L}{\lambda_a}-\frac{4L}{\lambda_b}= n + 0.5

The smallest value of L would be when n = 0.
 
Thanks for the help Doc Al!
 

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