Orbit changes, Kepler's Third Law

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The discussion revolves around the effects of tidal forces in the Earth-Moon system, specifically focusing on the increase in the Moon's orbital period and its implications for the Earth-Moon distance, utilizing Kepler's Third Law.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the differentiation of Kepler's Third Law to relate the change in the Moon's orbital period to the change in the semi-major axis of its orbit. There are attempts to convert units and calculate derivatives, with some questioning the relevance of their equations.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different methods to differentiate Kepler's Third Law and relate the given rate of change in the Moon's period to the distance change. Some guidance has been offered regarding the symbolic differentiation approach, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct method or interpretation yet.

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There is a mention of potential confusion regarding units and the need for symbolic differentiation rather than numerical calculations. Participants are also clarifying the definitions of variables involved in the equations.

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Tidal effects in the Earth-Moon system are causing the Moon's orbital period to increase at a current rate of about 35 ms per century. Assuming the Moon's orbit around the Earth is circular, to what rate of change in the Earth-Moon distance does this correspond? Hint: differentiate Kepler's third law.



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I know that I need to use T2 over r3 = T2 over r3


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I tried converting the moon's period (27.3 days) to ms and putting the 35 ms into ms per day into ms per century, but that yielded no results, since the number was so small the ms/day didnt change the moon's period at all in my calculator, maybe I am supposed to do this one by hand? This method doesn't seem feasible sicne i will have to be squaring things, can someone help me?
 
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Perhaps you might begin by setting aside the calculator and performing the suggested differentiation (symbolically). Differentiate Kepler's third law with respect to time to find a relationship between the rate of increase of period and the rate of increase of the orbit's semi-major axis.
 
Isnt the differentiate of Kepler's Third law my relevant equation?
 
jcook735 said:
Isnt the differentiate of Kepler's Third law my relevant equation?
Where have you calculated the derivative of Kepler's third law with respect to time?
 
Oh is that T2=4(pi)2r3 / GM?
 
the only other thing i could think of is 2T over r cubed but that doesn't seem right..
 
T is the period, not time. You have been given DT/dt.

Given a value for dT/dt, and given Kepler's third law, what is da/dt?
 

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