Orbit Intersection Question (classical mechanics)

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The discussion revolves around a problem in classical mechanics concerning the intersection of a comet's parabolic orbit with Earth's circular orbit. The original poster seeks to demonstrate a specific relationship involving the cosine of an angle and the perihelion distance of the comet.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to solve differential equations related to orbital mechanics but expresses a lack of sufficient information. Some participants suggest reframing the problem in geometric terms, indicating that it may not require complex physics.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem, with some suggesting a simpler geometric approach rather than solving the equations of motion. There is acknowledgment of the ease of the geometric perspective, but no consensus has been reached on the best method to proceed.

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There is a mention of the need for specific physical results, such as the relationship between the center of the circle and the focus of the parabola, which may not be fully established in the original problem statement.

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Homework Statement


A comet is going in a parabolic orbit lying in the plane of Earth's Orbit. Regarding Earth's orbit as circular of radius "a," show that the points where the comet intersects Earth's orbit are given by:

cos(theta)= -1 + (2*p)/a where p is the perihelion distance of the comet defined at (theta)=0


Homework Equations


Circular orbit: eccenticinty = 0
Parabolic orbit, Energy = 0, eccentincity = 1

Differential equation of an orbit:

d^2(u)/d(theta)^2 + u = -1/(m*l^2*u^2)*f(u^-1), where f is the function of the central force, u= 1/r, where r is the radius, and l is the angular momentum per mass.

Another representation of the differential equation of an orbit (using energy, and only for an inverse-squared central attractive force):

(du/d(theta))^2 + u^2 = 2E/ml^2 + 2ku/(ml^2); conditions are the same, except k= GM.

The Attempt at a Solution


Ok my thought was the solve the differential equations, once I have the solutions set the equations equal to one another and show that the points are predicted by the equation given; however, I don't have enough information given to solve the diff. eqs.

Any other ideas? I am quite stumped.
 
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^_^physicist said:
Any other ideas? I am quite stumped.

Stop using physics. This is a simple geometry problem: Find the intersection of a parabola and a circle. The only physical result that is needed is that the center of the circle and the focus of the parabola are the same point.
 
You don't have to solve the equations of motion. The geometry of the orbits is already given to you. So it's just a geometry problem. Just write down the polar coordinate representations of the two curves and intersect them. It's REALLY easy.
 
Thanks for the tips; and yes you were right it was so easy to just think of it in geometric terms.
 

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