Time Comet Remains Within Earths Orbit

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The problem involves a comet in a parabolic orbit intersecting Earth's circular orbit. It requires showing the time the comet remains within Earth's orbit using a given equation related to the perihelion distance and Earth's orbital period.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the integration of angular momentum to relate angle and time, with some expressing uncertainty about the complexity of the resulting functions.
  • There is mention of using Kepler's third law to relate the time spent within Earth's orbit to its period, but doubts are raised about the feasibility of this approach given the complexity of the expressions involved.
  • One participant suggests reconsidering the use of arccos and proposes using trigonometric identities to simplify the problem.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different approaches and questioning the assumptions made in their calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding trigonometric simplifications, but no consensus has been reached on a definitive method or solution.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework problem, which may limit the information available and the methods they can employ. The complexity of the trigonometric functions involved is a point of concern for some participants.

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Homework Statement



A comet is going in a parabolic orbit lying in the plane of the earth’s orbit. Assuming that the earth’s orbit is a circle of radius a. The points where the comets orbits intersects the earth’s orbit are given by:

cos θ = −1 + 2p/a

where p is the perihelion distance of the comet defined as θ = 0.

Use this to show that the time that the comet remains within the earth’s orbit is given by:

\frac{2^{1/2}}{3\pi}(2p/a+1)(1-p/a)^{1/2}\tau_E

where \tau_E is the period of the Earth's orbit (i.e. 1 year).

The Attempt at a Solution



Well I used an expression for the angular momentum per unit mass and integrated to get theta in terms of t, set it equal to the intersection points, solved for t for each, and then took the difference. That yielded an answer, but not one that even remotely resembled what was asked for. I am just not sure what to do now.
 
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I haven't worked this problem entirely, but the terms in my scratch work seem to be approaching the answer given. I'm not sure, but I think I know what mistake you may have made. If I understand you correctly, you claim to have found θ(t) explicitly. However, this is an enormously complicated function. All that you can really hope for is an implicit function relating θ and t. To see this, recall that dθ/dt=L/(m*r^2), where L is the angular momentum, m is approximately the mass of the comet, and r(θ) = 2p/[1+cos(θ)]. This reveals that your θ integral will involve 1/[1+cos(θ)]^2. Once you have managed to integrate this, you will get a mess of trigonometric functions relating θ to t. What you must then do is plug in your condition on θ when the comet crosses a, the radius of the Earth's orbit. (You'll also need to relate this to sin(θ).) This will tell you the time it takes for the comet to go from θ=0 to the point at which it crosses a. Recall that the orbit has time reversal symmetry to find the total amount of time that the comet is within the Earth's orbit. You must then relate this to the period of the Earth's orbit using Kepler's third law.
 
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I used Shaum's Table of Integrals and yes it was extremely messy, and yes you are correct I simply got an implicit function. Perhaps with a final step of relating this result to the period of the Earth's orbit using Kepler's third law I could arrive at the answer, but given the incredible mess of trig functions as you stated I have trouble believing that would be all I would need. I am thinking that there is an entirely different approach to this problem that I haven't explored. Perhaps giving the expression I found for the time would help (l is the angular momentum per unit mass).

t=\frac{4p^2}{l} ({\frac{1}{2}} tan{\frac{\theta}{2}}+\frac{1}{6} tan^3{\frac{\theta}{2}} )

Plugging in the intersection point I get a total time of:

t=\frac{8p^2}{l} ({\frac{1}{2}} tan{\frac { cos^{-1}({ -1+\frac{2p}{a}) } } {2}}+\frac{1}{6} tan^3{\frac { cos^{-1}({ -1+\frac{2p}{a}) } } {2}} )

Now you see what I mean. I can't imagine using Kepler's Third Law to relate that to the period of the Earth's orbit would make that mess equal to the expression given in the problem.
 
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You should not be using arccos. Tan can be expressed as sines and cosines, and you already know that cos(x) = 2p/a-1, where x are the angles at which the comet crosses Earth's orbit. Use the Pythagorean theorem to find sin(x) in terms of square roots and 2p/a etc. Your trig functions will go away.
 
Oh alright that makes sense I'll give that a try thanks
 

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