Orbital shutter as a beacon for interstellar communication

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The discussion revolves around the concept of an orbital shutter as a potential method for interstellar communication, inspired by Dyson's proposal of an orbital superstructure. Participants explore the feasibility and implications of such a structure for delivering optical signals by modulating the light emitted by stars, as well as the technologies that could detect these signals.

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  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that an evolved civilization could create an orbital shutter to modulate light from their star as a beacon for other civilizations.
  • Others argue that while the idea is interesting, traditional methods like radio waves or lasers might be more effective for communication.
  • A participant suggests using simple on-off keying to send a sequence of prime numbers as a potential message, followed by more complex information.
  • There is a question about the observatory technologies capable of detecting such modulations, with references to current exoplanet search methods and their limitations.
  • Tabby's star is mentioned as an example of light curve modulations that have led to speculation about artificial megastructures.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the practicality and effectiveness of using an orbital shutter for communication, with no consensus reached on the best approach or technology for detecting such signals.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on current observational technologies and the unresolved nature of how effective an orbital shutter would be compared to existing communication methods.

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Summary:: Hypotetical structure in the style of Dyson ring

In the style of Dyson's proposal of an orbital superstructure, I wonder if in the specialized literature wasn't suggested that an evolved civilization could make a kind of orbital shutter, in order to delivery optical signals, modulating the light emitted by their star.
A large area, low mass structure, as a beacon visible to other civilizations looking for planets around stars.
 
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It seems a very large undertaking for a communications method that radio waves or lasers would probably do a better job of. But as an arts project - the "God winking at the Universe" installation - it has merit! Actually, Jack McDevitt has something along those lines in his Priscilla Hutchins novels.
 
VACUUMIST said:
Summary:: Hypotetical structure in the style of Dyson ring

In the style of Dyson's proposal of an orbital superstructure, I wonder if in the specialized literature wasn't suggested that an evolved civilization could make a kind of orbital shutter, in order to delivery optical signals, modulating the light emitted by their star.
A large area, low mass structure, as a beacon visible to other civilizations looking for planets around stars.
Yes, interesting idea. I wonder what kind of modulation would be the most likely to get picked up by observatories on other worlds. You'd probably want to send a string of the first n prime numbers with simple on-off keying or something, perhaps followed by a more sophisticated short message. You'd want to calculate how long a single observatory at some distance away would be able to see the modulated brightness, in order to guide the length of the repeating message.

Since early astronomy used time-exposures, those would not be able to detect such modulation, though. What observatory/recording technologies do we have now that would be able to see such modulations?
 
berkeman said:
What observatory/recording technologies do we have now that would be able to see such modulations?
Exoplanet searches. They are looking for large opaque objects orbiting the star. TESS takes images of selected stars every 2 minutes, most other observations are longer.

Tabby's star has light curve modulations so strong and irregular that some people have speculated if this could be from some artificial megastructures.
 
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mfb said:
Tabby's star has light curve modulations so strong and irregular that some people have speculated if this could be from some artificial megastructures.
Gotta love the sense of humor...
Tabby's Star (also known as Boyajian's Star and WTF Star, and designated KIC 8462852 in the Kepler Input Catalog)
 

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