Orbital Velocity: Why Mass Doesn't Matter

In summary, the orbital velocity of a satellite is independent of its mass due to the cancellation of mass in the equation for the required centripetal force and the gravitational attraction. However, this is only applicable when the satellite's mass is significantly smaller than the body it is orbiting. Otherwise, the mass of the satellite does affect its orbit and velocity. Additionally, the center of mass of the system also plays a role in determining the orbit and velocity of a small object in the same orbit as a larger object.
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Muhammad Sabih
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why orbital velocity of a satellite is independent of mass?
 
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Have you looked at the maths? Write down the equation for the required centripetal force and for the gravitational attraction that provides it. Equate the two.
 
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An "orbit" is just like falling with enough side-ways velocity that you keep "missing" the earth. That does not depend upon mass for the same reason the speed, at any time, of a falling object does not depend upon mass- the gravitational force is a multiple of mass so it cancels out of "F= ma".
 
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Muhammad Sabih said:
why orbital velocity of a satellite is independent of mass?
Well, if the satellite's mass is large enough, it's not (independent of mass). For instance, the Moon.
However, if the satellite's mass is something like 1 ten-billionth of the mass of the body it's orbiting, and another satellite's mass is 5 ten-billionths, then you will see negligible difference in their motion about the body.
 
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tfr000 said:
Well, if the satellite's mass is large enough, it's not (independent of mass). For instance, the Moon.
However, if the satellite's mass is something like 1 ten-billionth of the mass of the body it's orbiting, and another satellite's mass is 5 ten-billionths, then you will see negligible difference in their motion about the body.
Are you asserting that a small object in the same orbit as the Moon's would orbit at a different speed than the Moon?
 
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DaveC426913 said:
Are you asserting that a small object in the same orbit as the Moon's would orbit at a different speed than the Moon?
Well, yes. Newton says the force between them (the Earth and whatever) is proportional to the product of their masses. Therefore, the Moon orbits a little faster, in the same orbit than say, a baseball. A basketball's orbit would not be noticeably different from the baseball's.
What are you saying?
 
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DaveC426913 said:
Are you asserting that a small object in the same orbit as the Moon's would orbit at a different speed than the Moon?
Note that two objects orbit their combined center of mass, which for the Earth-Moon system is 4,671 km from the center of the Earth. So a small object will have an orbit around Earth more centered around Earth's center, have a different distance or radius (pick one) and a different speed.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
Are you asserting that a small object in the same orbit as the Moon's would orbit at a different speed than the Moon?
Yes. Such an object could orbit as much as ~ 6 m/s slower than the Moon. ( and have a period ~4 hrs longer)
 
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Just in case the OP is lost...

If one of the masses (m2) is very small compared to the other (M1) then the maths simplifies to ..

Centripetal force = gravitational attraction

m2v2/r = GM1m2/r2

M2 cancels which is why V is independent of mass.

If m2 isn't small then see the last few posts above.
 
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russ_watters said:
Note that two objects orbit their combined center of mass, which for the Earth-Moon system is 4,671 km from the center of the Earth. So a small object will have an orbit around Earth more centered around Earth's center, have a different distance or radius (pick one) and a different speed.
Yeah, I thought maybe that was the confounding factor.

I was imagining small objects in simultaneous orbit, ahead of the Moon, being overtaken and swept up by Moon.
 

What is orbital velocity?

Orbital velocity is the speed at which an object must travel in order to maintain a stable orbit around another object, typically a planet or a star. It is influenced by factors such as the mass and distance of the objects involved.

Why does mass not matter when it comes to orbital velocity?

Mass does not directly affect orbital velocity because the gravitational force between two objects is proportional to the product of their masses. This means that as the mass of one object increases, so does the force pulling it towards the other object, resulting in the same orbital velocity regardless of mass.

How is orbital velocity calculated?

Orbital velocity can be calculated using the formula v = √(GM/R), where G is the gravitational constant, M is the mass of the central object, and R is the distance between the two objects.

What is the relationship between orbital velocity and altitude?

The higher an object is in its orbit, the slower its orbital velocity will be. This is because the gravitational force decreases with distance, meaning the object needs less velocity to counteract the gravitational pull and maintain its orbit.

Can orbital velocity change?

Yes, orbital velocity can change if there are changes in the mass or distance of the objects involved. For example, if a satellite's altitude is changed, its orbital velocity will also change to maintain a stable orbit. Other factors such as atmospheric drag can also affect orbital velocity.

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