Order of anharmonicity of a simple pendulum

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The discussion revolves around the concept of anharmonicity in the context of a simple pendulum, specifically focusing on the potential energy expansion and its implications for the order of anharmonicity.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the expansion of the potential energy of a simple pendulum and question the meaning of "order" in this context. There are attempts to relate the potential energy expansion to the anharmonicity of the system, with some participants suggesting that the order of anharmonicity may be linked to the terms in the expansion.

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Some participants have provided insights regarding the relationship between the force and potential energy, noting the symmetry of the potential about the equilibrium position. There is recognition of the distinction between the anharmonicity in force versus potential, leading to a more focused discussion on the potential energy expansion.

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Participants are navigating the specifics of the problem, including the implications of the potential energy's symmetry and the absence of odd terms in its expansion. There is an acknowledgment of the need to adhere to the problem's focus on potential rather than force.

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Homework Statement
The anharmonicity in the potential of a simple pendulum is of the order of

1. ##\theta##
2. ##\theta^2##
3. ##\theta^3##
4. ##\theta^4##
Relevant Equations
##V=mgl(1-cos\theta)##
I know that the potential of a simple pendulum is given by the above formula and that we can expand ##cos\theta## to get

##V=mgl\left(\frac{\theta^2}{2}-\frac{\theta^4}{24}+...\right )##

I am guessing that the answer is ##\theta^4##, but I am not sure what "order" means here.
 
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That would be my guess too.
 
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It seems at least as valid to say that the standard harmonic equation is ##\ddot x=-k^2x##, but the pendulum is ##\ddot x=-k^2\sin(x)=-k^2x+O(x^3)##, so the anharmonicity is ##O(x^3)##.
 
haruspex said:
It seems at least as valid to say that the standard harmonic equation is ##\ddot x=-k^2x##, but the pendulum is ##\ddot x=-k^2\sin(x)=-k^2x+O(x^3)##, so the anharmonicity is ##O(x^3)##.
Yes, but that is the anharmonicity in the force not the potential which is what the question asks. The potential is symmetric about the equilibrium position and has no odd terms in its expansion.
 
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kuruman said:
Yes, but that is the anharmonicity in the force not the potential which is what the question asks. The potential is symmetric about the equilibrium position and has no odd terms in its expansion.
Thanks, I missed that it specified potential.
 

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