Ordinary Differential Equations by Tenenbaum and Pollard

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the definition of a region in the context of ordinary differential equations, specifically focusing on the conditions that characterize a set in the plane as a region. Participants explore the implications of these conditions, particularly the first condition regarding boundary points.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding the first condition of a region, asking for an illustration to clarify its meaning.
  • Another participant suggests that the concept of boundary points serves as a counterpoint to the first condition, indicating that regions must be open sets where no boundary points are included.
  • A similar point is reiterated by another participant, emphasizing that any circle drawn around a boundary point will include points both inside and outside the region.
  • A further contribution clarifies that the first condition implies the absence of boundary points in a region, contrasting closed and open sets using examples of sets defined by inequalities involving a circle.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the interpretation of the first condition as indicating that regions do not include boundary points, but there is some repetition in the points raised, and the discussion does not reach a consensus on the need for illustrations or examples.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the nuances of defining open and closed sets, but does not resolve the need for further clarification or examples to aid understanding.

Luterinho
Messages
2
Reaction score
0
I am having a hard time understanding the conditions that set a plane to be called a region.

According to definition 2.68, a set in the plane is called a region if it satisfies the following two conditions (p. 14):

1. "Each point of the set is the center of a circle whose entire interior consists of points of the set."

2. "Every two points of the set can be joined by a curve which consists entirely of points of the set."

I am having a hard time understanding the first condition. Can anyone provide an illustration in order to decipher the first condition meaning?

Thank you for help.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
I think the counterpoint to 1 would be a boundary point. On the boundary, any circle you draw ( no matter how small ) will include some points from inside the domain and some outside.
Condition 1 indicates that the region is open. An example might be R2 with 0< x, y< 1. For any point near (0,0) or (1,1) there will exist a value r small enough that you can draw a circle around the point with only members of the region inside.
 
RUber said:
I think the counterpoint to 1 would be a boundary point. On the boundary, any circle you draw ( no matter how small ) will include some points from inside the domain and some outside.
Condition 1 indicates that the region is open. An example might be R2 with 0< x, y< 1. For any point near (0,0) or (1,1) there will exist a value r small enough that you can draw a circle around the point with only members of the region inside.

Thank you.
 
Yes. condition 1 is saying that the set does not contain any of its boundary points. The two sets \{ (x, y)| x^2+ y^2\le 1\} and \{ (x, y)| x^2+ y^2&lt; 1\} have the same boundary: \{(x, y)| x^2+ y^2= 1\}, the circle with radius 1. The first contains that boundary and is a "closed" set. The second does not contain any point of that boundary and is called an "open" set.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
4K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
1K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
4K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 0 ·
Replies
0
Views
4K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K