Ordinary or partial differential equation

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The discussion revolves around determining whether a given differential equation, specifically x(d²y/dx²) + dx/dt + xy = 0, is an ordinary differential equation (ODE) or a partial differential equation (PDE). Participants explore the roles of the variables involved and their relationships.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants question the nature of the equation, discussing the dependent and independent variables. There is an exploration of whether y is a function of both x and t, and how this affects the classification of the equation as ODE or PDE. Some participants also inquire about the physical context of the problem.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants suggest that the equation is an ODE based on the relationships between the variables, while others emphasize the need for additional context to clarify the physical quantities involved.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the equation being related to stress analysis in aerodynamics, but participants express uncertainty about the specific physical quantities represented by the variables x, y, and t.

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x(d^2y/dx^2)+dx/dt+xy=0

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At first I thought it was an ODE, but then I found out the derivative was respect to to variables x and t.
I am not sure if it is an ODE or PDE. What are the dependent and independent variables in the equation? Is it linear?
 
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Written like this: $$x\frac{d^2}{dx^2}y + \frac{d}{dt}x + xy = 0$$... then we can conclude that y is a function of x and x is a function of t. i.e. ##y(t)=y\big(x(t)\big)## is the solution.
This happens a lot in physics where you happen to know dx/dt by some other means.

If it were a partial DE then you'd expect to see dy/dx and dy/dt - telling up that y is a function of both x and t separately and we can write y as y(x,t).

Where did you find this equation, in what context?
 
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Simon Bridge said:
Written like this: $$x\frac{d^2}{dx^2}y + \frac{d}{dt}x + xy = 0$$... then we can conclude that y is a function of x and x is a function of t. i.e. ##y(t)=y\big(x(t)\big)## is the solution.
This happens a lot in physics where you happen to know dx/dt by some other means.

If it were a partial DE then you'd expect to see dy/dx and dy/dt - telling up that y is a function of both x and t separately and we can write y as y(x,t).

Where did you find this equation, in what context?
Sorry for late response. The differential equation is the stress analysis of aerodynamics. I wonder if it is a partial or ordinary differential equation.
 
Same answer as before.
If y is a function of both x and t, separately, then it is partial - otherwise it isn't.
What physical quantities do x y and t represent?
 
Simon Bridge said:
Same answer as before.
If y is a function of both x and t, separately, then it is partial - otherwise it isn't.
What physical quantities do x y and t represent?
I really don't know. It is a math problem without any further context.
 
You just said it was to do with stress analysis in an airframe. Does airframe stress not have any physical quantities to measure that have relationships to each other?

Whatever - without any further context, the answer is the same as post #2 ... it is an ordinary DE where y is a function of x and x is a function of t. You could reconstruct the whole thing in terms of t by using the chain rule.
 
Simon Bridge said:
You just said it was to do with stress analysis in an airframe. Does airframe stress not have any physical quantities to measure that have relationships to each other?

Whatever - without any further context, the answer is the same as post #2 ... it is an ordinary DE where y is a function of x and x is a function of t. You could reconstruct the whole thing in terms of t by using the chain rule.
Thank you very much!
 
Note that, since you have y as a function of x, and x as a function of t, you have, basically, two unknown functions. You will need two independent equations to solve for both x(t) and y(x). That is why Simon Bridge said "where you happen to know dx/dt by some other means"- the "other means" being, essentially, the other equation.
 

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