Organic Semiconductor: Why Does Removing 2 Electrons Require More Energy?

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The discussion revolves around the energy dynamics involved in the removal of electrons from organic semiconductors, particularly why the removal of a second electron requires more energy than the first. Participants explore concepts related to charge states, Coulomb attraction, and quantum mechanical principles.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that removing an electron from a neutral molecule creates a positively charged ion, making it harder to remove a second electron due to increased Coulomb attraction.
  • Another participant suggests that the increase in net positive charge from the atomic nucleus contributes to the higher energy requirement for removing the second electron, as the molecular orbital energy shifts towards vacuum energy.
  • It is mentioned that adding an electron to a bonding orbital is also disfavorable due to electron repulsion, and that quantum mechanics provides additional explanations involving quantum numbers and the Pauli exclusion principle.
  • A participant explains that electrons in filled orbitals cannot be added without moving to higher energy levels, which may lead to unstable anti-bonding states.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the underlying principles related to charge states and energy requirements, but there are multiple perspectives on the quantum mechanical explanations and implications of electron removal and addition.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the behavior of electrons in molecular orbitals and the effects of charge states are not fully detailed, and the discussion does not resolve the complexities of quantum mechanical interactions.

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Hi,

I just read a paper about charge transport in organic semiconductor. There, it was mention that from electrochemical experiments, it is well known that after the removal of one electron from an individual molecule, more energy is required to remove a second electron. I'm still confuse with this concept, can anybody explain me why it is the case?

thanks,
yfir
 
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yfir said:
Hi,

I just read a paper about charge transport in organic semiconductor. There, it was mention that from electrochemical experiments, it is well known that after the removal of one electron from an individual molecule, more energy is required to remove a second electron. I'm still confuse with this concept, can anybody explain me why it is the case?

thanks,
yfir

sure. you try to remove an electron from a molecule; the molecule is neutral. after you remove the electron it is now a positively charged ion. if you try to remove a negative charge from something with positive charge, that's harder than removing it from something that's neutral. there's a quantum mechanical explanation as well but that's less intuitive than the EM one.
 
chill_factor said:
sure. you try to remove an electron from a molecule; the molecule is neutral. after you remove the electron it is now a positively charged ion. if you try to remove a negative charge from something with positive charge, that's harder than removing it from something that's neutral. there's a quantum mechanical explanation as well but that's less intuitive than the EM one.

thanks for your reply. I thought the same think too after posted this thread. It must be related to the increase of a net positive charge (from the atomic nucleus contribution), so the coulomb attraction between the next negative charge and positive charges is increasing. The implication is the molecular orbital energy is shifting towards the vacuum energy. The opposite way also happen if we add electron to the bonding orbital. Is that right?
 
yfir said:
thanks for your reply. I thought the same think too after posted this thread. It must be related to the increase of a net positive charge (from the atomic nucleus contribution), so the coulomb attraction between the next negative charge and positive charges is increasing. The implication is the molecular orbital energy is shifting towards the vacuum energy. The opposite way also happen if we add electron to the bonding orbital. Is that right?

Don't worry about the zero point energy for this. If you add an electron to the bonding orbital, that is also disfavorable compared to the original molecule due to the repulsion of the electrons already in the bonding orbital.

In quantum mechanics too, there's an explanation. An electron bound to a potential source of any sort has 4 properties that can be represented by quantum numbers. They are: the energy level n, the angular momentum l, the z-axis projection of the angular momentum m, and the spin s. That is to say, each orbital whether molecular or atomic described by the first 3 quantum numbers can only hold 2 electrons, since electrons are fermions that must obey the Pauli exclusion principle and cannot have the same state; the 2 electrons have opposite spins.

If you try to add an electron, it can't be added to that orbital, since electrons only have +1/2 or -1/2 spin, so it must go to a higher energy level which is disfavorable. It may still bond, but in most existing molecules, the bonding states have already been filled, so the addition of another electron would force the electron to go to the even higher energy level anti-bonding states, which is unstable.
 

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