Origin of Probabilities in Quantum Mechanics?

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The discussion revolves around the origin of probabilities in quantum mechanics, specifically in the context of qubits and their wavefunctions. Participants explore the mathematical representation of qubits, the implications of amplitude normalization, and the geometric interpretation of probabilities associated with quantum states.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the non-normalized wavefunction of a qubit and proposes that the probabilities of measuring states |0⟩ and |1⟩ can be derived from the magnitudes of complex amplitudes A and B.
  • Another participant suggests that after normalization, the amplitudes can be represented in terms of polar coordinates on the Bloch sphere, emphasizing the importance of relative angles rather than absolute angles.
  • Some participants express skepticism about whether the described visualizations truly explain the origin of probabilities, arguing that the discussion does not clarify why probabilities exist in quantum mechanics.
  • A later reply questions the initial assertion about areas of amplitudes and suggests that the only degree of freedom is a phase angle rather than an area.
  • One participant references an external source that purportedly explains the origin of probability for the qubit.

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Participants generally do not agree on whether the proposed visualizations and mathematical representations adequately explain the origin of probabilities in quantum mechanics. Multiple competing views remain, with some participants expressing confusion or disagreement regarding the explanations provided.

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Some claims depend on specific interpretations of quantum mechanics and the mathematical formalism used, which may not be universally accepted. The discussion includes unresolved questions about the physical meaning of certain parameters and the implications of the phase factor.

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The non-normalized wavefunction of a general qubit is given by:
$$|\psi\rangle=A|0\rangle+B|1\rangle.$$
The complex amplitudes ##A## and ##B## can be represented by two arrows in the complex plane:

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Now the wavefunction can be multiplied by any complex number ##R## without changing the physics. This will cause the arrows ##A## and ##B## to rotate and shrink/expand together with a fixed angle between them.

Therefore two sets of points will be traced out represented by a circle with area ##|A|^2## and a circle with area ##|B|^2##. These represent the sets of possible values for the amplitudes ##A## and ##B##.

Thus if we become entangled with the qubit then the probabilities of finding ourselves in set ##A## (measuring ##0##) or set ##B## (measuring ##1##) are given by:
$$P(0)=\frac{|A|^2}{|A|^2+|B|^2}$$
$$P(1)=\frac{|B|^2}{|A|^2+|B|^2}.$$
Does this picture help to understand the origin of probabilities in quantum mechanics?
 
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Hello. I add that after normalization circle A and circle B are transformed within unit circle. Relative angle between A and B matters not their absolute angle to axis because wavefunctions ##\psi## and ##e^{i\alpha}\psi## express the same state.

So we may improve by making :
A=\cos (\theta/2), B=\sin(\theta/2)
where ##0 \leq \theta \leq \pi ##. You see positivity and normalization
0 \leq A,B \leq 1,\ \ A^2+B^2=1
is satisfied in that form. Also take angle of A is zero and angle of B to A is ##\phi##.
P(0)=\cos^2 (\theta/2),\ \ P(1)=\sin^2 (\theta/2)Four parameters A, angle of A, B and angle of B will be reduced to two, ##\theta## and ##\phi##. These two angles ##\theta## and ##\phi## which are interpreted as polar coordinates for unit sphere ##r=1## called Bloch sphere in this context express qubit state.

As for projection of state vector to z axis
Length from |1> pole to the projection
cos\theta -(-1)= 2P(0)
is |0> probability multiplied by 2.
Length from |0> pole to the projection
1-cos\theta = 2P(1)
is |1> probability multiplied by 2.
 
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jcap said:
Does this picture help to understand the origin of probabilities in quantum mechanics?
I don't think so. You are describing a quantum system, but that do not explain why it has to be that way. I may be misunderstanding your question, though.
 
andresB said:
I don't think so. You are describing a quantum system, but that do not explain why it has to be that way. I may be misunderstanding your question, though.

I was wondering if the redundancy in the magnitude and angle of the overall phase factor implies circular areas of amplitudes associated with the vectors ##|0\rangle## and ##|1\rangle##. These areas could provide the "weights" for obtaining the eigenvalues ##0## and ##1##.

As I understand it I can normalize ##|\psi\rangle## by either first choosing an ##A## or first choosing a ##B##. There are a circular area's worth of ##A##s that I can pick or a circular area's worth of ##B##s. These areas give the weights for obtaining eigenvalues ##0## or ##1## respectively. Maybe this argument only works with a discrete grid of amplitude values.
 
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jcap said:
Does this picture help to understand the origin of probabilities in quantum mechanics?

I don't see how since your picture only gives a way to visualize the numerical values of the probabilities, not why there are probabilities at all in the first place.
 
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Correction

Let
$$A=R_Ae^{i\theta_A}$$
$$B=R_Be^{i\theta_B}$$
A general normalized wavefunction is given by:
$$|\psi\rangle=\frac{1}{(R_A^2+R_B^2)^{1/2}}\large[R_Ae^{i\theta_A}+R_Be^{i\theta_B}\large]$$
Assume that I multiply the amplitudes ##A## and ##B## by
$$C=Re^{i\theta}$$
Then the normalized wavefunction becomes
$$|\psi\rangle=\frac{1}{R(R_A^2+R_B^2)^{1/2}}\large[RR_Ae^{i(\theta_A+\theta)}+RR_Be^{i(\theta_B+\theta)}\large]$$
$$|\psi\rangle=\frac{e^{i\theta}}{(R_A^2+R_B^2)^{1/2}}\large[R_Ae^{i\theta_A}+R_Be^{i\theta_B}\large]$$
It seems that the only degree of freedom is a phase angle ##\theta## rather than an area as I asserted above.
 
jcap said:
It seems that the only degree of freedom is a phase angle θ rather than an area as I asserted above.

@jcap this ##\theta## has no physical meaning as I said in post #2 so it is convenient to take it as ##-\theta_A## so that phase factor appears only on B.

My post #2 does so, i.e.
\cos\frac{\theta}{2}|0>+e^{i\phi}sin\frac{\theta}{2}|1>
 
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