Origin of Religion: Understanding the Difference from Physics

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the origins of religion and its distinction from scientific inquiry, particularly in relation to early human understanding of natural phenomena. Participants explore the philosophical implications of attributing natural events to mystical forces versus scientific explanations.

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  • Debate/contested, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that early humans engaged in philosophical and scientific speculation about natural phenomena before attributing them to mystical forces, marking the transition to religion.
  • Another participant counters by pointing out that there are still unknown laws of physics, questioning the distinction between a god of thunder and scientific unknowns, implying a similarity in human understanding.
  • A different participant argues that established scientific knowledge of electromagnetism, gravity, and quarks counters the idea of a god of the gaps fallacy, emphasizing the ongoing nature of scientific inquiry.
  • One participant expresses concern about the philosophical nature of the discussion, stating that it rejects established scholarly work and highlights the lack of consensus among scholars regarding the origins of religion, noting that ritual and individual experiences predated formal theology.
  • A final post indicates that religious debates are not permitted within the forum, leading to the closure of the thread.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between early human speculation and the development of religion, with some arguing for a clear distinction and others suggesting parallels with scientific inquiry. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the lack of written records from early human societies and the ongoing investigation into the origins of religion, indicating limitations in understanding and the dependence on interpretations of anthropological evidence.

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I am involved in a discussion about the origin of religion. I made the statement that the very early humans who were speculating about the causes of things that frightened them and that they did not understand (wind, thunder, earthquakes) were engaged in philosophy and science. Their exercise did not become religion until those early humans concluded that the cause(s) were some mystical guiding force.

One response was that there are laws of physics we don’t understand (gravity, electromagnetism, quarks,) so what is the difference between them and a god of thunder?

I am struggling to come up with a sensible response to this argument. I’d appreciate any help.
 
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Tell them that we understand electromagnetism, quarks, and gravity very well. Science is an ongoing process. Otherwise, they are commiting a god of the gaps fallacy.
 
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First, this is a good example of why we don't allow philosophy here. While this is not philosophy, it suffers from the same problem - rejecting all the scholarly work out there by "it seems to me".

Second, the origins of religion are still a subject of investigation. One of the reasons is that religion appeared on the scene millennia before writing. However, virtually (and I am only using that word to cover my butt) no scholar holds to your theory. It is virtually (that word again) universally acknowledged that ritual and individual experience (e.g. spirit-walking) predated any sort of theology, again, by millennia. You will find this in virtually (third time's the charm) introductory text on the anthropology of religion.
 
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