Origin of Upthrust: Displaced Water & Pressure Difference

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When an object is submerged in a fluid, the pressure on its bottom surface exceeds that on the top surface, resulting in an upward force known as upthrust. This pressure difference arises because pressure increases with depth, as described by the equation P = hρg. The discussion clarifies that while upthrust is a force, it is derived from pressure acting over an area, as expressed by F = P * A. Key principles such as Pascal's Law and Archimedes' principle are essential for understanding buoyancy and the origin of upthrust. The participants ultimately reach a consensus on the relationship between pressure, area, and the resulting force.
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Homework Statement


When an object is submerged or floats in a fluid, the..
Pressure on bottom surface > Pressure on top surface
So the resultant force is acting upwards.

Why the difference in pressure? Must both, the top and bottom surfaces, have the same area of contact with the fluid? Since P=F/A ?

A sealed cylindrical steel can is submerged in water. What is the origin of upthrust that acts on the can?
The weight of displaced water acts upwards on the can.
^ This statement does not states the origin of upthrust...Why? It seems right ! Feeling confused
2. Relevant equation
P=F/A
P=hρg
 
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Janiceleong26 said:
Why the difference in pressure?
Pressure depends on depth below the surface--the deeper you go, the greater the pressure.

As expressed by this equation (h is the distance below the surface):
Janiceleong26 said:
P=hρg
 
Doc Al said:
Pressure depends on depth below the surface--the deeper you go, the greater the pressure.

As expressed by this equation (h is the distance below the surface):
But upthrust is a force, whereas pressure isn't ..
 
Janiceleong26 said:
But upthrust is a force, whereas pressure isn't ..
Yes, but a pressure applied over an area results in creation of a force, F = P * A.

What you seem to be missing is information about Pascal's Law, which Doc Al provided in mathematical form in Post #2, and also Archimedes' principle and the concept of buoyancy, which is another name for this upthrust.

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Janiceleong26 said:
But upthrust is a force, whereas pressure isn't ..
But you use pressure (and area) to calculate the force, as you stated yourself in your first post.
 
Doc Al said:
But you use pressure (and area) to calculate the force, as you stated yourself in your first post.
I see, thanks ! Got it
SteamKing said:
Yes, but a pressure applied over an area results in creation of a force, F = P * A.

What you seem to be missing is information about Pascal's Law, which Doc Al provided in mathematical form in Post #2, and also Archimedes' principle and the concept of buoyancy, which is another name for this upthrust.

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Thanks! I got it now
 
The book claims the answer is that all the magnitudes are the same because "the gravitational force on the penguin is the same". I'm having trouble understanding this. I thought the buoyant force was equal to the weight of the fluid displaced. Weight depends on mass which depends on density. Therefore, due to the differing densities the buoyant force will be different in each case? Is this incorrect?

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