Upthrust/ how does the weight of a sphere change in water?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of a sphere when submerged in water, specifically focusing on the concept of upthrust and how the weight of the sphere changes in different stages of immersion. The subject area includes fluid mechanics and buoyancy principles.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the effects of buoyancy and weight at various stages of the sphere's interaction with water, questioning the balance readings during these transitions. There is discussion about breaking down the problem into stages and considering the main forces acting on the sphere, including weight and upthrust.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the stages of the sphere's movement and the forces involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to analyze the situation at specific moments, particularly when the sphere is stationary underwater.

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Participants are considering the implications of the weight of the sphere in relation to the weight of the water displaced and are encouraged to reflect on the assumptions made about the forces at play during the sphere's motion.

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Homework Statement


See image attached. Oh it's part c by the way.

Homework Equations


maybe upthrust=weight of water displaced... None really relevant.

The Attempt at a Solution


I thought the balance would initially go up as the sphere entered the water, (but maybe slightly less than the weight of the beaker+sphere because up thrust is acting on the sphere) because the weight of the sphere would be greater than any opposing forces i.e upthrust because the sphere is accelerating. Then when the ball was rising to the surface I would assume the balance reading would be just the weight of the beaker as upthrust will be greater than the weight of the sphere ( or maybe you could calculate the upthrust then take that away from the weight of the beaker?)Then when the sphere is floating on the surface the balance would read the weight of the sphere+beaker. Is any of this sort of right?
 

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C0balt said:
ecause the weight of the sphere would be greater than any opposing forces i.e upthrust because the sphere is accelerating.
Do you mean before or after the sphere has become fully immersed?
 
haruspex said:
Do you mean before or after the sphere has become fully immersed?
Um before
 
I think I would break this into stages, eg. ball out of water, ball entering water, ball falling in water, ball stationary in water, ball rising in water, ball floating on water, (*)
At each stage consider at first only the main forces such as weight and buoyancy to establish the general pattern.
Then you can add considerations of acceleration to see how they affect it, perhaps qualitatively at first, then calculate some values if you can.

There may be other factors you could think about (* and stages), but I'll not mention them unless you do.
 
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The "weight" of sphere, partially submerged in water, is its "usual" weight, out of water, minus the weight of the water displaced.
 
Show us what you did in parts a and b. Your conclusion regarding the final state in part c is correct. It seems to me, the missing piece of the puzzle is doping out the situation at the instant that the ball has come to a stop under the water. Once you have that, you should be able to fill in all the blanks.

Chet
 

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