Overcoming Haughtiness for Scientists

[nismaratwork]

Since the age of 9, I have wanted to get attention of others. And I think mathematics has been a tool to express my superority, which I have realized as ignorance. From now on, I should be more mature and modest

Now that... is truly smart, bordering on wisdom. It takes practice however, so remember to take it a step at a time.

 

[nismaratwork]

Or challenged and/or better.

Don't be such a defeatist, dude!

Heck, some people aren't comfortable unless they know where in the "hierarchy" they stand, even if nobody else does. Beyond defeatism, it's a false dilemma... far more options exist.

 

[Lacy33]

Now that... is truly smart, bordering on wisdom. It takes practice however, so remember to take it a step at a time.

OH! Oh! Like you would know wisdom if it ran you over with a steam roller!
Get over yourself sparky and grab a dish towel.

 

[JaredJames]

Actually no. You learn and you will be taught a lot of things in your life which you will never use again. It's time wasted for ever.

Oh I completely agree, but a basic knowledge in other areas is a good thing.

I may not have an extended knowledge of the history of the UK but I have a basic one and as such can distinguish the good from the bad in a broad sense.

There are certainly some subjects that are a complete waste of time - I found art, music, drama etc to be ridiculous things to spend as much time on, but I still appreciate the basics they taught me (well except drama).

So far, everything (except drama) has come up in my life in some way. In fact, just using PF seems to tick a lot of the boxes.

Latin crops up here quite often in small snippets.

 

[nismaratwork]

OH! Oh! Like you would know wisdom if it ran you over with a steam roller!
Get over yourself sparky and grab a dish towel.

I am wise... like a wizened old monkey contemplating the mystery of fire.

 

[Lacy33]

I am wise... like a wizened old monkey contemplating the mystery of fire.

 

[nismaratwork]

Oh sweetie... I'm so much weirder than that!

 

[Lacy33]

Oh sweetie... I'm so much weirder than that!

I am of limited expression :shy: here.
What does it all mean?

 

[nismaratwork]

I am of limited expression :shy: here.
What does it all mean?

I don't know, I'm just really over-worked, a little tired, and therefore... odd. Tired + Me = Very strange. I think perhaps you can relate, or at least understand... I'm like an old Jewish man... I even carry hard candy in my pocket.

I really do actuallly... and they're truly "ye olde"... and if my parents are to be believed, at a very young age I began to play around talking like (to quote my mother), "An old Yiddish man". I have no memory of it, but it explains a lot.


So yeah... um don't be haughty, and... really I think this thread turned out quite well. Confrontation, Discussion, Resolution, and (hopefully) Follow-Through.

 

[Lacy33]

So yeah... um don't be haughty, and... really I think this thread turned out quite well. Confrontation, Discussion, Resolution, and (hopefully) Follow-Through.

And I agree 100%. I made a new buddy, cho, you too? (and he has moose!)
And things did turn out well.
High Five little brothers.

 

[nismaratwork]

And I agree 100%. I made a new buddy, cho, you too? (and he has moose!)
And things did turn out well.
High Five little brothers.

And you big sister.

 

[caffenta]

There is something worse than haughtiness. It goes like this:

"I don't understand <x>. Could someone help me understand <x>?"
Receives explanation for <x> with examples and all
"No, I don't think that's how <x> works"

I really hate when that happens. And it just happened.

 

[mugaliens]

Heck, some people aren't comfortable unless they know where in the "hierarchy" they stand, even if nobody else does. Beyond defeatism, it's a false dilemma... far more options exist.

Yeah, I know. Unfortunately, many folks haven't a clue as to their level of existence in the hiearchy.

As for that hiearchy, I've grown to realize nismar actually has a clue or two. Dude, run with it, but don't get yourself banned. You have a lot yet to give.

 

[mugaliens]

There is something worse than haughtiness. It goes like this:

"I don't understand <x>. Could someone help me understand <x>?"
Receives explanation for <x> with examples and all
"No, I don't think that's how <x> works"

I really hate when that happens. And it just happened.

Sounds like you're describing sanctioned helplessness.

 

[DanP]

Yeah, I know. Unfortunately, many folks haven't a clue as to their level of existence in the hiearchy.

Sooner or later it is enforced on you. You realize your position more objectively when you try to do something you are not supposed to do. For most it comes with their first job. For others even faster.

As for that hiearchy, I've grown to realize nismar actually has a clue or two. Dude, run with it, but don't get yourself banned. You have a lot yet to give.

Ban Nismar ? What for ?

 

[alt]

I am wise... like a wizened old monkey contemplating the mystery of fire.

I am reminded of a couple of lines of most poignant verse;

Deign on the passing world to turn thine eyes,
And pause awhile from letters, to be wise;

From 'The Vanity Of Human Wishes - Samuel Johnson.

http://rpo.library.utoronto.ca/poem/3569.html

Check it out - it's a good one, and quite relevant to this thread, too.

 

[nismaratwork]

Yeah, I know. Unfortunately, many folks haven't a clue as to their level of existence in the hiearchy.

As for that hiearchy, I've grown to realize nismar actually has a clue or two. Dude, run with it, but don't get yourself banned. You have a lot yet to give.

Thank you mugs, I'm working very hard to do just that. That said, right back at you!

 

[nismaratwork]

Sooner or later it is enforced on you. You realize your position more objectively when you try to do something you are not supposed to do. For most it comes with their first job. For others even faster.



Ban Nismar ? What for ?

Trust me on this... he's quite right, and I can assure you that he means well. We have quite the enjoyable ongoing debates, and I'd consider him a friend here (you too I'd add).

I must say, I tend to agree with your view of hierarchy though... consciously or not, it always seems to rise to the fore. It's not a bad thing though, to reference alt's extremely good post:

"Where wav'ring man, betray'd by vent'rous pride
To tread the dreary paths without a guide..."

That guide can be people certainly, but other guides are social as I think you'd agree. Sometimes a "knock on the head", followed by a chat can do a world of good... sometimes not.

@alt: I've never read that poem to completion until now, thank you very much. Something about Brits named "Samuel" must be salutary to the process of writing poetry.
That is a very VERY good verse; a guide in and of itself. It does seem relevant, but I think I'll read it a few more times before I even pretend to grasp more than the surface of it. Thanks alt!

 

[OmCheeto]

what does that mean??

Um. Sorry... I am confused.

You are Korean, but do not speak Korean?

 

[l-1j-cho]

Um. Sorry... I am confused.

You are Korean, but do not speak Korean?

wait, was that Korean? I still don't get it...

 

[JaredJames]

Um. Sorry... I am confused.

You are Korean, but do not speak Korean?

Well strictly speaking, I'm Welsh and don't speak Welsh.

These days, where you're from doesn't mean much.

 

[nismaratwork]

Well strictly speaking, I'm Welsh and don't speak Welsh.

These days, where you're from doesn't mean much.

You folks produced Catherine Zeta-Jones... your work is done.

 

[caffenta]

Well strictly speaking, I'm Welsh and don't speak Welsh.

Well, I'm stupid and I speak stupid. And I'm quite good at stupid. People tell me that every day, so I must be good at it.

Would my statement above be considered haughtiness?

 

[wrongusername]

So when others compliment you on being smart, how should you reply?

Also, I have this thing where if I do bad on a test, I am sad, but if I do well, I am often so proud of it. It's ridiculous, but it keeps happening.

 

[alt]

@alt: I've never read that poem to completion until now, thank you very much. Something about Brits named "Samuel" must be salutary to the process of writing poetry.
That is a very VERY good verse; a guide in and of itself. It does seem relevant, but I think I'll read it a few more times before I even pretend to grasp more than the surface of it. Thanks alt!

My pleasure. I am happy that you liked it !

 

[nismaratwork]

My pleasure. I am happy that you liked it !

Any more you can recommend, books, anything... I read like mad, feel free to recommend away: I'll read almost anything that isn't cheap fiction, but you have good taste... that's even better.

 

[OmCheeto]

wait, was that Korean? I still don't get it...

Gads! You are correct. It's not. I don't usually double check my sources when they say it to my face. There is a one legged Korean dude that I know that is going to get kicked in the good leg for pulling that on me.

This reminds me of the time an internet acquaintance told me the phrase translated to; "Me comer los gusanos"...

Fortunately, I trust almost no one on the internet.

 

[l-1j-cho]

Fortunately, I trust almost no one on the internet.

You better

 

[nismaratwork]

I'm laughing with you both, not at either of you. Such is the naature of online comms heh?

@OmCheeto: Gusanos! Hehehe...

I think we all just got a lesson in how and why to refrain from haughtiness!

"What's the difference between God and a surgeon? Answer: God knows that he's not a surgeon."

 

[alt]

Any more you can recommend, books, anything... I read like mad, feel free to recommend away: I'll read almost anything that isn't cheap fiction, but you have good taste... that's even better.

Hi Nismar - apologies for the delay in response.

I read a great deal too, though I do it in spurts. Could read for months when something takes my interest, and then not at all for months more.

I love the old English poets - particularly of the Lakes period. Anyway, don't want to go too off topic here. Will PM you with some stuff you'll probably love too.

Cheers.

 

[nismaratwork]

Hi Nismar - apologies for the delay in response.

I read a great deal too, though I do it in spurts. Could read for months when something takes my interest, and then not at all for months more.

I love the old English poets - particularly of the Lakes period. Anyway, don't want to go too off topic here. Will PM you with some stuff you'll probably love too.

Cheers.

The internet is all about each of us taking things at our own pace. I write a lot... doesn't mean you need to be snappy.

Thanks for the reccomendations to come by the way, I hope I can make a few based on what you send. Be Well!