Overcoming Haughtiness for Scientists

[Lacy33]

I think my biggest problem is I don't want to admit the fact that I am not a genius as Leonhard Euler. Here is an anecdote of myself

One day our math club teacher introduced the beauty of perfect numbers and suggested to think about the reason an odd perfect number does not exist. Wasting few packages of papers, I came up with a conclusion that an odd perfect number, if it only exists, has to be in a form of (4p+1)^(4k+1) x Q^(2m) blahblah. I thought it was a truly marvelous discovery, then with the help of the internet, I soon realized that this was already done by Euler. After a moment of disappointment, I felt quite content and satisfactory that I have done something creative by 'MYSELF' of which Euler did few centuries ago

In fact, that proof is really easy to understand. I bet many other high school students could do that without any help. But the very fact that I did it by myself, I think I have fallen to delusion that I am a genious. Which contradicts the other side of me that I am not an innate genious

OK if you are a "genius", then you don't need us to tell you.
If you are a "genius" you are a very young person and remain unpublished. You have faced no peer review. You have done no high level university course work. You are not even being tutored by a university student if I understand correctly.
If you are a "genius" then you understand that the beginning of genius is the fear of what you don't know (paraphrased) and after you have done all the basics and are on par with the best in the field you can seek out your personal direction and advance the field a fraction of an inch like all other researchers today.
If you want to play genius for the day, go ahead.
But the people here have real learning to do. Read them, ask a small question here and there and then go to university and do the course work like everyone else.

 

[DanP]

... and express that to others.

Some idiots found fit to force me to learn Latin in a certain period of my life , for example. Time wasted for ever. I never exchanged a single word in Latin in my life since then, and Ill never will. I would have been WAY better off with one year of Arabic or Chinese.

 

[nismaratwork]

Some idiots found fit to force me to learn Latin in a certain period of my life , for example. Time wasted for ever. I never exchanged a single word in Latin in my life since then, and Ill never will. I would have been WAY better off with one year of Arabic or Chinese.

Ecce Romani!

Yeah... I got that too, under the guise that it would help with English. Far from it, given the strange turns my brain takes around language, English helped me with latin.

Still, learning a second language in general is valuable... that's not a subject that's obviated.

 

[l-1j-cho]

OK if you are a "genius", then you don't need us to tell you.
If you are a "genius" you are a very young person and remain unpublished. You have faced no peer review. You have done no high level university course work. You are not even being tutored by a university student if I understand correctly.
If you are a "genius" then you understand that the beginning of genius is the fear of what you don't know (paraphrased) and after you have done all the basics and are on par with the best in the field you can seek out your personal direction and advance the field a fraction of an inch like all other researchers today.
If you want to play genius for the day, go ahead.
But the people here have real learning to do. Read them, ask a small question here and there and then go to university and do the course work like everyone else.

seems like i was immature. I appologize

 

[Lacy33]

seems like i was immature. I appologize

No worry. We are all the same. Let's be buddies and when you go through periods of advancement and discovery we will all celebrate with you.

 

[l-1j-cho]

Since the age of 9, I have wanted to get attention of others. And I think mathematics has been a tool to express my superority, which I have realized as ignorance. From now on, I should be more mature and modest

 

[l-1j-cho]

Thank you all!

 

[OmCheeto]

Thank you all!

You're welcome.

And just remember my motto; "Moro Meda!"

 

[l-1j-cho]

You're welcome.

And just remember my motto; "Moro Meda!"

what does that mean??

 

[mugaliens]

If you compare yourself with others you will become vain or bitter.

Or challenged and/or better.

Don't be such a defeatist, dude!

 

[nismaratwork]

Since the age of 9, I have wanted to get attention of others. And I think mathematics has been a tool to express my superority, which I have realized as ignorance. From now on, I should be more mature and modest

Now that... is truly smart, bordering on wisdom. It takes practice however, so remember to take it a step at a time.

 

[nismaratwork]

Or challenged and/or better.

Don't be such a defeatist, dude!

Heck, some people aren't comfortable unless they know where in the "hierarchy" they stand, even if nobody else does. Beyond defeatism, it's a false dilemma... far more options exist.

 

[Lacy33]

Now that... is truly smart, bordering on wisdom. It takes practice however, so remember to take it a step at a time.

OH! Oh! Like you would know wisdom if it ran you over with a steam roller!
Get over yourself sparky and grab a dish towel.

 

[JaredJames]

Actually no. You learn and you will be taught a lot of things in your life which you will never use again. It's time wasted for ever.

Oh I completely agree, but a basic knowledge in other areas is a good thing.

I may not have an extended knowledge of the history of the UK but I have a basic one and as such can distinguish the good from the bad in a broad sense.

There are certainly some subjects that are a complete waste of time - I found art, music, drama etc to be ridiculous things to spend as much time on, but I still appreciate the basics they taught me (well except drama).

So far, everything (except drama) has come up in my life in some way. In fact, just using PF seems to tick a lot of the boxes.

Latin crops up here quite often in small snippets.

 

[nismaratwork]

OH! Oh! Like you would know wisdom if it ran you over with a steam roller!
Get over yourself sparky and grab a dish towel.

I am wise... like a wizened old monkey contemplating the mystery of fire.

 

[Lacy33]

I am wise... like a wizened old monkey contemplating the mystery of fire.

 

[nismaratwork]

Oh sweetie... I'm so much weirder than that!

 

[Lacy33]

Oh sweetie... I'm so much weirder than that!

I am of limited expression :shy: here.
What does it all mean?

 

[nismaratwork]

I am of limited expression :shy: here.
What does it all mean?

I don't know, I'm just really over-worked, a little tired, and therefore... odd. Tired + Me = Very strange. I think perhaps you can relate, or at least understand... I'm like an old Jewish man... I even carry hard candy in my pocket.

I really do actuallly... and they're truly "ye olde"... and if my parents are to be believed, at a very young age I began to play around talking like (to quote my mother), "An old Yiddish man". I have no memory of it, but it explains a lot.


So yeah... um don't be haughty, and... really I think this thread turned out quite well. Confrontation, Discussion, Resolution, and (hopefully) Follow-Through.

 

[Lacy33]

So yeah... um don't be haughty, and... really I think this thread turned out quite well. Confrontation, Discussion, Resolution, and (hopefully) Follow-Through.

And I agree 100%. I made a new buddy, cho, you too? (and he has moose!)
And things did turn out well.
High Five little brothers.

 

[nismaratwork]

And I agree 100%. I made a new buddy, cho, you too? (and he has moose!)
And things did turn out well.
High Five little brothers.

And you big sister.

 

[caffenta]

There is something worse than haughtiness. It goes like this:

"I don't understand <x>. Could someone help me understand <x>?"
Receives explanation for <x> with examples and all
"No, I don't think that's how <x> works"

I really hate when that happens. And it just happened.

 

[mugaliens]

Heck, some people aren't comfortable unless they know where in the "hierarchy" they stand, even if nobody else does. Beyond defeatism, it's a false dilemma... far more options exist.

Yeah, I know. Unfortunately, many folks haven't a clue as to their level of existence in the hiearchy.

As for that hiearchy, I've grown to realize nismar actually has a clue or two. Dude, run with it, but don't get yourself banned. You have a lot yet to give.

 

[mugaliens]

There is something worse than haughtiness. It goes like this:

"I don't understand <x>. Could someone help me understand <x>?"
Receives explanation for <x> with examples and all
"No, I don't think that's how <x> works"

I really hate when that happens. And it just happened.

Sounds like you're describing sanctioned helplessness.

 

[DanP]

Yeah, I know. Unfortunately, many folks haven't a clue as to their level of existence in the hiearchy.

Sooner or later it is enforced on you. You realize your position more objectively when you try to do something you are not supposed to do. For most it comes with their first job. For others even faster.

As for that hiearchy, I've grown to realize nismar actually has a clue or two. Dude, run with it, but don't get yourself banned. You have a lot yet to give.

Ban Nismar ? What for ?

 

[alt]

I am wise... like a wizened old monkey contemplating the mystery of fire.

I am reminded of a couple of lines of most poignant verse;

Deign on the passing world to turn thine eyes,
And pause awhile from letters, to be wise;

From 'The Vanity Of Human Wishes - Samuel Johnson.

http://rpo.library.utoronto.ca/poem/3569.html

Check it out - it's a good one, and quite relevant to this thread, too.

 

[nismaratwork]

Yeah, I know. Unfortunately, many folks haven't a clue as to their level of existence in the hiearchy.

As for that hiearchy, I've grown to realize nismar actually has a clue or two. Dude, run with it, but don't get yourself banned. You have a lot yet to give.

Thank you mugs, I'm working very hard to do just that. That said, right back at you!

 

[nismaratwork]

Sooner or later it is enforced on you. You realize your position more objectively when you try to do something you are not supposed to do. For most it comes with their first job. For others even faster.



Ban Nismar ? What for ?

Trust me on this... he's quite right, and I can assure you that he means well. We have quite the enjoyable ongoing debates, and I'd consider him a friend here (you too I'd add).

I must say, I tend to agree with your view of hierarchy though... consciously or not, it always seems to rise to the fore. It's not a bad thing though, to reference alt's extremely good post:

"Where wav'ring man, betray'd by vent'rous pride
To tread the dreary paths without a guide..."

That guide can be people certainly, but other guides are social as I think you'd agree. Sometimes a "knock on the head", followed by a chat can do a world of good... sometimes not.

@alt: I've never read that poem to completion until now, thank you very much. Something about Brits named "Samuel" must be salutary to the process of writing poetry.
That is a very VERY good verse; a guide in and of itself. It does seem relevant, but I think I'll read it a few more times before I even pretend to grasp more than the surface of it. Thanks alt!

 

[OmCheeto]

what does that mean??

Um. Sorry... I am confused.

You are Korean, but do not speak Korean?

 

[l-1j-cho]

Um. Sorry... I am confused.

You are Korean, but do not speak Korean?

wait, was that Korean? I still don't get it...