Pablo Bahler: Physics Bachelor Questions, University of Leipzig

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the experiences and expectations regarding mathematics courses within physics bachelor's programs, particularly focusing on proof evaluation in exams and the academic reputation of the University of Leipzig. Participants share insights based on their own educational backgrounds and provide information relevant to prospective students.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that most physics-related math courses emphasize computations over proofs, indicating that proofs may not be a significant focus in final exams.
  • Others argue that rigorous proof-based courses are common in certain universities, including those in Germany, where a substantial portion of coursework may involve proofs.
  • A participant mentions their experience in a Mexican university, noting that only a few of their math courses were not proof-heavy.
  • Concerns are raised about the necessity of writing complete proofs in exams, with some participants sharing their frustrations regarding strict grading policies related to proof completeness.
  • One participant highlights that in rigorous courses, students are often required to prove results that were not explicitly proven in class, which can add to the challenge.
  • Information about the University of Leipzig is requested, with one participant providing a link to the university's physics bachelor program for further exploration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the emphasis of proofs in mathematics courses for physics students, with no consensus on whether proofs are commonly evaluated in final exams. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific practices at the University of Leipzig.

Contextual Notes

Participants' experiences vary significantly based on their respective universities and countries, leading to a range of expectations about the mathematical rigor and proof requirements in physics programs.

Who May Find This Useful

Prospective physics students considering studying abroad, particularly those interested in the mathematical rigor of physics programs and the academic environment at the University of Leipzig.

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hello, my name is pablo bahler, I am from argentina and at the moment i am finishing first year in the physics bachelor of my university. but here the bachelor lasts 5 years so i was considering studying abroad.(university of leipzig). also i have some particular questions about the math subjects in the physics bachelors all around the world. so... to the questions:


please answer these questions if you are currently doing a bachelor in physics or you know precisely this information.

1.- In calculus and algebra, do professors evaluate the proof of the theorems in final exams? if you answer please tell me the university that you are going to

2.-Do you have any information about the level of the university of leipzig in germany? is it good or bad or idk, just say anything you know about this place.(i have the swiss citizenship so i can live and study in eu, but i only speak spanish and english)


thanks! if a question is not clear please let me know
 
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pablo.93 said:
1.- In calculus and algebra, do professors evaluate the proof of the theorems in final exams? if you answer please tell me the university that you are going to

I believe that in most universities, the math courses that most physics majors take have a focus on computations and calculations rather than proofs, so I highly doubt that the professors will evaluate any proofs in the final exams.

However, you might decide to take some proof-based math courses such as complex analysis and abstract algebra if you are really interested in mathematical physics or theoretical physics. In this case, then of course you would have to possesses excellent proof-writing skills.

(sources: general knowledge)
 
thank you very much! in my university, physicists share the first years with mathmaticians and the totally torture us with proofs! in calculus 2 i had 70/100 points(minimum to pass is 50) and they failed my exam because i didnt write the proof of a theorem completely good.
thanks!

keep the comments coming!
 
In my experience from german universities (not Leipzig though, i have started with a math major in Aachen, later physics major in Cologne), even math courses for physicists tend to be rather rigorous and proof-focussed. Like maybe 70% proofs and 30% calculations in homework exercises, whereas the lectures consist of ~95% theorems and proofs.
That being said though, you probably wouldn't need to perform incredibly complicated proofs during exams, knowing how to apply major theorems to proof some corollary is the most important part.
You can take a look at the bachelor programm for physics at Leipzig yourself here: http://www.uni-leipzig.de/~physik/bachelor-physik-ipsp.html
 
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I am officially a physics student (in Mexico), and from the 22 math courses I've taken (including this semester), only 3 weren't proof-heavy.
 
but they tested the proofs in the finals?i mean, did you ever had to write a full hard proof as an exam exercise?
 
Yes, and in the most rigorous courses we weren't allowed to use (without proof) results the professor didn't prove in class.
I really enjoy doing proofs (will switch to applied math in grad school), but I can understand your frustration (many of my friends felt the same).
 

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