Painkillers (analgesics) and the liver

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the use of painkillers (analgesics) and their effects on liver health, particularly in the context of over-the-counter medications and post-dental procedures. Participants explore various pain relief options, their combinations, and safety considerations regarding liver stress.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether any painkillers exist that do not stress the liver, suggesting that most foreign substances are metabolized there.
  • Several common painkillers are identified as potentially harmful to the liver, including acetaminophen, aspirin, ibuprofen, and naproxen.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the safety of combining different painkillers, specifically mentioning the risks of combining NSAIDs and acetaminophen.
  • Another participant provides historical context and regulatory information about naproxen and its use as an over-the-counter medication.
  • Concerns are raised about the appropriate dosages of painkillers, especially for individuals without liver conditions, and the importance of consulting a doctor for long-term use.
  • A participant seeks clarification on what constitutes "long time" usage of painkillers and expresses interest in understanding the implications of prolonged use.
  • A brief comment suggests that pharmacists are a resource for answering questions about medication safety and interactions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the safety of combining painkillers and the implications of their use on liver health. There is no consensus on the best approach to pain management or the safety of specific combinations.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention specific dosages and combinations of painkillers, but there are unresolved questions about the safety of these combinations and the long-term effects of usage. The discussion does not clarify the thresholds for safe versus risky use.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals seeking information on pain management options, particularly those concerned about liver health and the safety of combining over-the-counter analgesics.

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I was thinking about painkillers recently after recovering from some major dentistry. In particular, I was wondering if there were any painkillers that do not stress the liver. I imagine the answer is no, as just about any foreign substance will be broken down there -- but I thought it was worth asking about.

Aspirin (acetylsalicylic acid), ibuprofen, naproxin, and especially acetaminophen (paracetamol) are hard on the liver, as I understand. I'm not sure, but I imagine Vicodin is as well -- or rather, the small amount of hydrocodone in it is; the acetaminophen certainly is. (My dentist prescribed it for the pain, though this time I didn't feel the need to fill the prescription. I kind of wish I did, in retrospect; the first night the pain didn't let me sleep.)

And while I'm thinking of it, what can be combined? Clearly aspirin and acetaminophen can be combined, as they're often sold together; clearly Tylenol can't be taken with Vicodin since that's an acetaminophen overdose. I'd guess that Vicodin could be combined with aspirin or another NSAID, but that two NSAIDs should not be used together -- no Aleve with aspirin -- but I don't know.
 
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Aleve (Naproxen) should not be taken with salicilates, e.g. aspirin.

Naproxen was first and originally marketed as the prescription drug Naprosyn in 1976 and naproxen sodium was first marketed under the trade name Anaprox in 1980. It remains a prescription-only drug in much of the world. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved the use of naproxen sodium as an over-the-counter (OTC) drug in 1994, where OTC preparations are sold under the trade name Aleve.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naproxen

See also - http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/medmaster/a681029.html

Usually with surgery, the pain medication should not involve blood thinning or anti-coagulation, or rather it needs to be balanced with any other anti-clotting agent if that is related to one's condition.

Certainly check with one's doctor.

Vicodin is a trademarked brand of narcotic analgesics (painkillers) containing hydrocodone and paracetamol (acetaminophen or, more-completely, para-acetylaminophenol).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicodin

The key with "aspirin (acetylsalicylic acid), ibuprofen, naproxin, and especially acetaminophen (paracetamol)" is the dosage. Low dosage is not a problem, but if one has a liver condition, one should consult with one's doctor regarding use of these analgesics.

See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-steroidal_anti-inflammatory_drug

http://www.fda.gov/cder/drug/infopage/COX2/NSAIDmedguide.htm
 
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For clarification:

I have no liver condition, I'm just generally trying to keep my organs in good shape.

I'm talking about OTC dosages: 500 to 650 mg of aspirin, 500 mg of acetaminophen, 5 (?) mg of hydrocodone in Vicodin, etc. If I thought I could combine, say, ibuprofen/naproxin/acetaminophen at normal (or half) doses, I might be able to avoid taking Vicodin.

Also, I'm interested in more explanation for the "long time" warnings that I read about on web pages from the FDA and the like. A friend of mine was on painkillers for almost a year (on a doctor's advice); certainly that's a long time. But failing that, what's a long time? I've been taking over-the-counter pain medicine* for three weeks now for dental pain: two weeks before seeing the dentist and one week after. Should I take special precautions? I suspect I'll be done fairly soon now, but it's good to know for future reference.

* First half-doses of aspirin (325 mg), then full doses (650 mg), then aspirin + acetaminophen (500 mg each) as the pain increased.
 
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pharmacists exist to answer questions like this.
 

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