Parabola and Hyperbola Question

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the relationship between parabolas and hyperbolas, specifically whether a parabola can be considered a specific instance of a hyperbola. Participants explore the definitions, properties, and equations of these conic sections, engaging in a debate about their similarities and differences.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that a parabola extends toward parallel lines, while a hyperbola extends toward diverging lines.
  • Others argue that parabolas and hyperbolas are both conic sections, differing based on the angle of the plane cutting through a cone.
  • A participant questions whether a parabola can be viewed as a hyperbola with parallel axes, suggesting that the slope of the cross-section determines the type of conic section.
  • Some participants clarify that parabolas do not have asymptotes, while hyperbolas do, which complicates the comparison.
  • There is a discussion about the equations of parabolas and hyperbolas, with participants expressing uncertainty about how one might derive the equation of a parabola from that of a hyperbola.
  • One participant proposes that a parabola could be seen as an ellipse with one focus at infinity, while others contest this view, stating that a parabola is not a special case of a hyperbola.
  • Some participants express confusion over the definitions of axes and asymptotes in the context of conic sections.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether a parabola is a specific instance of a hyperbola. Multiple competing views remain regarding the definitions and relationships between these conic sections.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the precise definitions of axes and asymptotes, as well as the mathematical derivations of the equations for parabolas and hyperbolas. Some assumptions about the nature of conic sections and their properties are not fully resolved.

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DaveC426913 said:
Nor am I doing so. I am conceptualizing an arbitrarily large number.
Actually, you did use ∞ in an arithmetic expression. You wrote E=∞-1 in post #27, to which I replied that ∞ - 1 is meaningless, as is any arithmetic expression involving the symbol ∞.

Having said that, some expressions using this symbol are meaningful, such as ##\infty + \infty## or ##\infty \times \infty##, which should really be thought of as the sum or product, respectively, of functions whose limits are ##\infty##.

Other arithmetic expressions, such as ##\infty - \infty##, ##\infty - n##, where n is any finite number, and ##\frac \infty \infty## are not defined, and are therefore meaningless.
DaveC426913 said:
You must grant that a hyperbola can have an eccentricity of an arbitrarily large value - there is no value on the real number line greater than 1 that a hyperbola cannot have as its eccentricity. Literally, anything shy of infinity.
But all you need to say is that the eccentricity is greater than 1.
 
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The hyperbola of ## xy=1 ## was introduced above. I don't think this was previously mentioned, and it may be worth mentioning, that it will take the standard form of a hyperbola ## \frac{x^2}{a^2}-\frac{y^2}{b^2}=1 ## if you introduce a rotation of axes by ## \theta=45^{\circ} ## using ## \\ ## ## x'=x \cos{\theta}+y \sin{\theta} ## ## \\ ## and ## \\ ## ## y'=-x \sin{\theta}+y \cos{\theta} ##. ## \\ ## You then solve for ## x ## and ##y ## and substitute into ## xy=1 ##. ## \\ ## The result is ## \frac{x'^2}{2}-\frac{y'^2}{2}=1 ##.
 
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