Parallel Capacitance - Power Factor Question

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the capacitance required to improve the power factor of a 50 kW load operating at a 60 Hz, 10 kV rms line from 60% lagging to 90% lagging. Participants explore various methods and calculations related to reactive power and impedance in the context of power factor correction.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the required capacitance to be 4.339 μF based on their impedance calculations.
  • Another participant suggests that the initial calculations may have misidentified the reactance as capacitive rather than inductive.
  • One participant proposes using power quantities instead of impedances, calculating the reactive power needed to transition from a 60% to a 90% power factor.
  • A different calculation yields a capacitance of 0.589 μF based on a reactive power of 22.2 kVAr, which raises questions about the correctness of the original answer.
  • Further clarification is sought regarding the reactive power values used in calculations, with one participant asserting that the correct reactive power for the 90% power factor case should be 42.5 kVAr.
  • Another participant recalculates the capacitance based on the corrected reactive power value, arriving at 1.126 μF.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the calculations and values used for reactive power, leading to multiple competing answers for the required capacitance. The discussion remains unresolved regarding which method or value is definitively correct.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential confusion regarding the identification of reactive power values and the implications of using different methods for calculating capacitance. There are also unresolved questions about the assumptions made in the calculations.

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Homework Statement


A 50 kW load operates from a 60 Hz 10 kV rms line with a power factor of 60% lagging. Determine the capacitance that must be placed in parallel with the load to achieve a 90% lagging power factor.

The Attempt at a Solution



For Z at 0.6pf
S=P/pf = 50000/0.6 = 83333.33VA
I = P/Vs = 83333.33/10000 = 8.333A
R=p/I^2 = 50000 / 8.333^2 = 720Ω
Z=R/pf = 720/0.6 = 1200Ω
Xc=√(1200^2-720^2) = 960Ω
CosΦ=0.6 Φ=53.13°
Z1=720+j960Ω or 1200∠53.13°Ω

so for Z at 0.9
CosΦ=0.9 Φ=25.842°
Z2=r/pf = 720/0.9 = 800Ω
Xc=√(800^2-720^2) = 348.711Ω
Z2 = 720+j348.711Ω or 800∠25.842°Ω

Hence Z required = Z1 - Z2 = 720+j960 - 720+j348.711Ω = 0+j611.289Ω
so Xc = 611.289Ω
then C = 1/(2πfXc) = 1 / (2π*60*611.289) = 4.339μF

My main problem with this answer is I have seen several other answers equalling 1.126 μF using other methods such as https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/capacitance-power-factor-question.591792/ however I don't understand why either method don't give the same answer? Any help would be much appreciated.
 
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I think you started out OK with the 0.6 PF portion except that what you call Xc is actual inductive or Xl. Nonetheless, your Z1 reflects this result.

I like to keep a circuit diagram in mind, like the following

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I also like to work with the power quantities rather than impedances.

So you start off with 50 kW and that doesn't change for the resistive portion.

Initial apparent power is 50/0.6 or 83.3 kVA and the reactive power is 50/0.6 * 0.8 or 66.7 kvar.When you get to the 0.9 pf situation, the resistive or 50 kW portion doesn't change so the new reactive power is 50/0.9 * 0.436 or 42.5 kvar inductive.

To achieve the reduction in kvar from 66.7 to 42.5 kvar, we add parallel capacitance. So the capacitance required must make up the difference of 22.2 kvar. With your 10 kV voltage source, what capacitance is required to give you 22.2 kvar? I'm not sure it is the same answer that you showed but I haven't checked that yet.
 

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Hi Magoo thanks for the fast response!

So Xc = V / Qc = 10000^2 / 222222 = 4500Ω

C = 1/ (2πfXc) = 1 / 2*π*60*4500 = 0.589μF

Still doesn't seem correct? Still not sure why my original answer doesn't work either if I'm honest
 
Look at @magoo's schematic.

That shows capacitance in parallel with the load resistance. You calculated the entire current as flowing through the resistor as if the load's capacitance was in series with the resistor.
Jason-Li said:
S=P/pf = 50000/0.6 = 83333.33VA
I = P/Vs = 83333.33/10000 = 8.333A
R=p/I^2 = 50000 / 8.333^2 = 720Ω
 
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@anorlunda ah that makes sense as I wouldn't be able to calculate the I properly thanks!

So would my initial response be correct?

So Xc = V / Qc = 10000^2 / 22222 = 4500Ω C = 1/ (2πfXc) = 1 / 2*π*60*4500 = 0.589μF

Just referring to other sources and they have used the value of 42.5kVAr rather than 22.2kVAr for calculating Xc?
 
Jason-Li said:
Just referring to other sources and they have used the value of 42.5kVAr rather than 22.2kVAr for calculating Xc?
I think that some values are getting mixed up. Can we agree that for the original circuit that the apparent power is correctly calculated to be ##S = 83.33\;kVA##, and that the reactive power is ##Q = 66.67\;kVAr##?

Then, taking the pf = 0.9 case we look to find the desired reactive power ##Q_d##.

##S_d = \frac{P}{0.9} = 55.56\;kVA## {The apparent power for the pf 0.9 case}

##Q_d = \sqrt{S_d^2 - P^2} = 24.23\;kVAr##

In the following diagram is the situation laid out in the form of power triangles:
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The ##\Delta Q## is what the what the added capacitance will need to "consume".

##\Delta Q = Q - Q_d = 42.45\;kVAr##

So your "other sources" have it right.
 

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@gneill Thanks for that very thorough explanation, definitely one of those moments when it just clicks now.

So 'rerunning' the calc.

Xc = V / Qc = 10000^2 / 42450 = 2355.712Ω C = 1/ (2πfXc) = 1 / 2*π*60*2355.712 = 1.126μF

The help is much appreciated! Also thank you @magoo & @anorlunda .
 
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