Parametric Derivative Derivation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the derivation of the second derivative in parametric equations, specifically the expression \(\frac{d^{2} y}{dx^{2}} = \frac{dy'/dt}{dx/dt}\). Participants explore the relationships between derivatives with respect to different variables and the application of the chain rule in this context.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how to conclude that \(\frac{d^{2} y}{dx^{2}} = \frac{dy'/dt}{dx/dt}\).
  • Another participant suggests that a quick online search would provide the answer, implying that the information is readily available.
  • A participant presents an equation \(\frac{d^2 y}{dx^2} = \frac{d \dot{y'}}{d \dot{x}} = \frac{dy'}{dx} = \frac{dy}{dx^2}\) but claims it is incorrect.
  • Another participant agrees that the initial claim about the second derivative is incorrect and clarifies that \(\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{\frac{dy}{dt}}{\frac{dx}{dt}}\) is the correct relationship derived from the chain rule.
  • A participant points out that they originally wrote \(\frac{d^{2}y}{dx^{2}}= \frac{\frac{dy'}{dt}}{\frac{dx}{dt}}\), which differs from the previous claim.
  • There is a moment of acknowledgment of a mistake regarding the notation of derivatives.
  • A participant questions whether \(y'\) refers to the derivative with respect to \(x\) or \(t\), suggesting that the interpretation affects the correctness of the equation.
  • Another participant reiterates that \(y'' = \frac{d^2 y}{dx^2}\).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the correctness of the initial claims about the second derivative in parametric form. Multiple interpretations of the notation and relationships between derivatives are present, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the clarity of notation and definitions used by participants, particularly regarding the distinction between derivatives with respect to \(x\) and \(t\). The discussion also reflects unresolved mathematical steps related to the second derivative in parametric equations.

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How does one conclude that \frac{d^{2} y}{dx^{2}} = \frac{dy\'/dt}{dx/dt}?

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\frac{d^2 y}{dx^2} = \frac{d \dot{y'}}{d \dot{x}}
= \frac{dy'}{dx} = \frac{dy}{dx^2}

Which is clearly incorrect.
 
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cronxeh said:
Well if you googled "parametric derivative" you would've stumbled on your answer in about 3 seconds:
http://www.mathwords.com/p/parametric_derivative_formulas.htm
And, you will notice that what you wrote was incorrect. What is true is that \frac{dy}{dx}= \frac{\frac{dy}{dt}}{\frac{dx}{dt}} not the second derivative.
That follows from the chain rule.
 
I didn't write
\frac{d^{2}y}{dx^{2}}= \frac{\frac{dy}{dt}}{\frac{dx}{dt}}
. I wrote \frac{d^{2}y}{dx^{2}}= \frac{\frac{dy'}{dt}}{\frac{dx}{dt}}
 
Yes. Oops.
\frac{d^2 y}{dx^2} = \frac{d \dot{y'}}{d \dot{x}}
= \frac{dy'}{dx} = y''
 
Then is y' the derivative with respect to x or t? If with respect to t, then your equation is wrong. If with respect to x, then you are back to the first derivative case.
 
y'' = \frac{d^2 y}{dx^2}
 

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