Parametric equation application?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of parametric equations in the context of a projectile motion problem involving a cannonball and a camera. Participants are exploring how to model the trajectory of the cannonball, which lands at a different height than its launch point, using a parabolic equation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of the parabolic equation y = (x-h)^2 + k and question how to apply it to the problem. There are attempts to identify key points on the parabola, such as the cannon and camera positions, and to consider the effects of varying the cannon's angle. Some participants express uncertainty about interpreting the problem's requirements and the implications of the camera's position.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations of the problem being explored. Some participants suggest that the problem may be more complex than typical homework assignments, while others offer insights into potential strategies for approaching it. There is no explicit consensus on the best method to solve the problem, but several lines of reasoning are being examined.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem may be challenging due to a lack of prior instruction on similar topics, and there is mention of the difficulty level compared to standard homework problems. The requirement for the performer to look into the camera adds an additional layer of complexity to the interpretation of the problem.

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Homework Statement



http://i.imgur.com/oogkT4K.png


Homework Equations



y = (x-h)^2 + k

The Attempt at a Solution




y = (x-95)^2 + 10 ? We were assigned this in class but my teacher never taught us anything about these kinds of problems. I've learned basic parabolas and equations in class but I don't know how to apply it to this assignment because the cannonball lands in the net at a different height from the original platform. I also have no idea how to find the angle of the cannon. Can someone help me out? Thanks!
 
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lisbon said:

Homework Statement



http://i.imgur.com/oogkT4K.png


Homework Equations



y = (x-h)^2 + k

The Attempt at a Solution




y = (x-95)^2 + 10 ? We were assigned this in class but my teacher never taught us anything about these kinds of problems. I've learned basic parabolas and equations in class but I don't know how to apply it to this assignment because the cannonball lands in the net at a different height from the original platform. I also have no idea how to find the angle of the cannon. Can someone help me out? Thanks!

You have two points on the parabola, the cannon and the camera. I would assume the camera pole is at the front of the net and the camera's mounting point is on the parabola.

So the parabola goes through those points and you are given the velocity. See if you can find the strategy now to solve this. These questions are notoriously difficult and if you haven't learned them, I think you won't be able to solve it.
 
verty said:
You have two points on the parabola, the cannon and the camera. I would assume the camera pole is at the front of the net and the camera's mounting point is on the parabola.

So the parabola goes through those points and you are given the velocity. See if you can find the strategy now to solve this. These questions are notoriously difficult and if you haven't learned them, I think you won't be able to solve it.

I don't see any reason to assume the camera itself is on the trajectory. I think it is at a given height and you smile at it when you are at that height on the way down. It looks to me like you vary the barrel angle to hit between the near and far end of the net and pick among them for max height.
 
Here's an animated gif showing the trajectory for various cannon angles. It looks like a doable problem to me, at least with the help of Maple.

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LCKurtz said:
I don't see any reason to assume the camera itself is on the trajectory. I think it is at a given height and you smile at it when you are at that height on the way down. It looks to me like you vary the barrel angle to hit between the near and far end of the net and pick among them for max height.

I was unsure of how to interpret that the performer must look directly into the camera, but yes, if the camera pans to follow him, he can just look at the camera from wherever he happens to be when he is at that height.

The maximum height is clearly increasing with angle so the solution will be at one of the extreme points of the net or at an angle of 60 degrees. So two points and one angle to plug in, no calculus required. It's certainly doable but compared to the typical homework problems in this section, it is quite difficult. And for readers who don't know projectile motion which isn't always taught in school, these are notoriously difficult questions, at least they were for me.

Also I didn't want to give a hint because the title was about applying parametric equations and I thought the only good hint I could give was to show how to apply them. So I didn't give a hint but I wanted to point out that this is a difficult question and completing it without experience would be pretty tough.
 

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