Parametric Equations of Line Passing Through (0,1/2,1) and (2,1,-3)

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The discussion revolves around finding the parametric equations of a line that passes through two specified points, (0,1/2,1) and (2,1,-3). Participants explore the implications of using different points and vectors in defining the line's equations, touching on theoretical aspects of lines and vectors in three-dimensional space.

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  • Some participants assert that either of the two points can be used to derive the parametric equations of the line.
  • Others mention that there are multiple equivalent forms of the equations, suggesting that there are four possible correct answers based on different combinations of starting points and direction vectors.
  • A participant proposes that to find equivalent equations, one could identify other points on the same line.
  • It is noted that the directional vector can be scaled by a parameter to extend the line infinitely in both directions.
  • Some participants discuss the properties of lines and vectors, emphasizing that while they share similarities, they are not identical, particularly in terms of directionality and magnitude.
  • A later reply questions whether the choice of point (2,1,-3) was made for convenience due to simpler numbers.

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Participants generally agree that either point can be used to derive the equations, but there remains some uncertainty about the implications of choosing one point over another. The discussion includes multiple competing views regarding the number of equivalent forms of the equations and the reasoning behind the choice of points.

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Some participants highlight the need to consider the direction vector and its scaling, as well as the translation of the vector to ensure it passes through the specified points. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in defining lines and vectors in three-dimensional space.

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This discussion may be useful for students and enthusiasts of mathematics and physics who are interested in understanding the geometric representation of lines in three-dimensional space and the flexibility in defining their equations.

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find the parametric equations of the line that passes through the points (0,1/2,1) and (2,1,-3)

$v= \left\langle 2-0, 1-1/2, -3-1 \right\rangle = \left\langle 2, 1/2, -4 \right\rangle$

$P_0 (2,1,-3)$

$x=2+2t$
$y=1+\frac{1}{2}t$
$z=-3-4t$so my question is, why are the points (2,1,3) used and not the other ones
 
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ineedhelpnow said:
find the parametric equations of the line that passes through the points (0,1/2,1) and (2,1,-3)

$v= \left\langle 2-0, 1-1/2, -3-1 \right\rangle = \left\langle 2, 1/2, -4 \right\rangle$

$P_0 (2,1,-3)$

$x=2+2t$
$y=1+\frac{1}{2}t$
$z=-3-4t$so my question is, why are the points (2,1,3) used and not the other ones

Either point can be used.
 
so both sets of equations will be correct? because those are the ones that my book gave as answers.
 
ineedhelpnow said:
so both sets of equations will be correct? because those are the ones that my book gave as answers.

Yes there will actually be FOUR possible answers, all equivalent and all correct.

I wonder if you can figure out what they would be...
 
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Yes there will actually be FOUR possible answers, all equivalent and all correct.
If the points are denoted $P_0$ and $P_1$, I see two simplest answers: $P_0+(\overrightarrow{P_0P_1})t$ and $P_1+(\overrightarrow{P_1P_0})t$. There are also infinitely many other answers denoting the same line, which differ both in the starting point and the vector.
 
well wouldn't you just have to find other points on the same line to get equivalent equations?
 
Yes, it doesn't matter which point you choose, as long as it is on the same line. If it is, all equations are equivalent. It only takes one point on the line, and a directional vector.

It's helpful to look at it from first principles.
http://www.criced.tsukuba.ac.jp/grapes/image/vector2.gif

The directional vector, $OB$, establishes the direction, and adding a point $OA$ to it (by vector addition) brings us to some point on the line. Multiplying the directional vector $OB$ by any constant will bring us to a different point on the line.
 
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It often helps to think about the properties of lines and vectors.

Lines: Have a direction (but not a direction of motion), are of infinite magnitude (so they go on forever in both directions), and are positioned somewhere in 3D space.

Vectors: Have a direction, have a direction of motion, have a magnitude. Do not have a direction.As you can see, vectors and lines are similar, but not identical.

If we know something about a line though (such as two points it goes through), then we CAN find the equation of the line if we can find its direction, make it infinitely long, and position it properly (i.e. to go through those two points).

To get the direction, we need a DIRECTION VECTOR.

So by finding EITHER of the two vectors defined by those two points (the reason I say either vector is because the line will not have a direction of motion, and thus the arrow can point either way).

Then we need to make sure that this vector has infinite magnitude. The trouble is, to scale a vector you would normally multiply it by a number. But infinity is not a number. Thus you multiply the direction vector by a PARAMETER, which you can then change the value of (i.e. to make it as large as needed).

Finally, even if we are able to find the direction vector, all vectors are DEFINED as starting at the origin. The line might not go through the origin though. Thus we need to move it to the right position. To do this, we think "well we know where the direction vector 'starts' (at the origin) and we know a point it has to go through (two actually), so we can translate the direction vector by adding the same number of units to each component as is instructed by the point it has to go through (e.g. if it has to go through the point (1, 5, -3), then it will be moved 1 unit in the positive x direction, 5 units in the positive y direction, and 3 units in the negative z direction). This process is essentially the same as adding two vectors, which is why we loosely say "add one of the points". The reason we can use either point is because by translating the direction vector according to either point, because it is going in the right direction, it will still go through both points!

So there you are, to work out the equation of a line, you need its direction vector, multiply it by a parameter to make it infinitely long, and then position it correctly by "adding one of your known points".

And since there are two possible direction vectors, and two possible points to use, there will be FOUR possible solutions.
 
Prove It said:
Either point can be used.

so B was used only because the numbers are nicer?
 

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