Partial derivative stationary point

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding stationary points of a function using partial derivatives. The original poster expresses difficulty in solving the equations obtained from setting the partial derivatives to zero, specifically noting confusion over the results they are receiving.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the validity of the partial derivatives calculated by the original poster and suggest checking the conditions under which these derivatives equal zero. There is mention of substituting expressions derived from one derivative into the other to find solutions.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on how to approach the problem, particularly focusing on the relationships between the derivatives. There is an acknowledgment that not all functions necessarily have stationary points, which adds a layer of complexity to the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of verifying the conditions under which the derivatives are set to zero and the implications of potentially not having stationary points. There is also a mention of the need to prove the absence of stationary points if that is the case.

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Homework Statement


Hi guys, I am having real trouble with the function 10ii) I can take the derivatives, but I feel like I am missing something, with what I have done. I set $f_x=0$and $f_y=0$ but really can't seem to find away to solve, i keep getting (0,0) which when I plug into wolfram it come out with $$x=0,y=-1/2$$, $$x=-1,y=0$$ and $$x=1, y=-2$$
So this make me think have I done the partial right?

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$$\frac{\partial}{\partial x}=-2(x^2y-x-1)(2xy-1)-2(x^2-1)(2x)$$
$$\frac{\partial}{\partial y}=-2(x^2y-x-1)(x^2)$$$$-2(x^2y-x-1)(2xy-1)-2(x^2-1)(2x)=0$$
$$-2(x^2y-x-1)(x^2)=0$$

but where do I go from here?

Could someone please give advice, thanks in advance.
 
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Taylor_1989 said:
I set ##f_x=0\ ## and ##f_y=0##

Two hashes (#) to get inline ##\TeX##, two dollars ($) to get displayed math :smile:

Check ##f_x## and ##f_y## (*); once OK, ##f_y## gives you something to substitute in ##f_x=0##

(*) [edit] right, thanks Dick :smile: (I copied the 2 inside the [ ] o:) )
 
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The partials look ok. Think about the y derivative first. It's zero if i) x=0 OR y=?. Fill in the ? with an expression in x. Substitute that into the x derivative.
 
Not every function of x and y has a stationary point - it is always possible that your function has none.
In that case you will not be able to find it! But then you have to prove it doesn't exist.
In this case I think there is a stationary point.
fy is nicely factorised, which is help. One of the factors is closely related to a bracket in fx which is another help.

Not every condition for one of your derivatives to be 0 necessarily allows the the other to be 0. :oldwink:
(Though even if it doesn't, your zeros of one of them still gives information about what the surface f looks like)
 

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