Partial Derivatives and the Linear Wave Equation

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the linear wave equation, specifically focusing on the use of partial derivatives in relation to the variables of position and time. Participants are exploring the implications of evaluating derivatives at a fixed time while considering the displacement of a string.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the necessity of partial derivatives when evaluating the tangent of the wave equation at a specific time. Some participants clarify that holding time constant while differentiating with respect to position necessitates the use of partial derivatives.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging in clarifying the concept of partial derivatives and their application in this context. Some have provided helpful explanations regarding the nature of derivatives when multiple variables are involved, and there is an exploration of what derivative would be needed if both position and time were changing.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of the variables involved and the definitions of different types of derivatives, with a focus on the constraints of the problem as presented in the original post.

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Homework Statement


I'm reading through the derivations of the linear wave equation. I'm following everything, except the passage I highlighted in yellow in the below attachment:
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I'm not understanding why partials must be used because "we evaluate this tangent at a particular instant of time."

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It seems if x, y, and t were all changing then there'd be a need for a partial. As stated in the highlighted text, I'm not getting it. Any help is appreciated.
 
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The displacement y of the string from its equilibrium position (y=0) is a function of both x and t - it depends on where along the string you look, and on the time at which you look at it. Figure 16.19 shows the position of the string at a given time t. So when you find the slope of the tangent at this time t, you are holding the time constant. That means that you must take the partial derivative of y with respect to x - the definition of a partial derivative requires you to hold fixed all independent variables other than the one by which you differentiate.

On your point 3, it is because you are holding t fixed that you need to use the partial derivative. Note that x and t are your independent variables, and that y is the dependent variable. were you to allow both x and t to change, you would need a different kind of derivative that you will probably not have studied yet, and its physical interpretation would be quite different.
 
Very helpful - thank you so much! What kind of derivative is needed if x and t were both changing?
 
It is called the directional derivative, or the covariant derivative.
 
Thank you again.
 

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