Partial Derivatives: Find \frac{\partial y}{\partial x}

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The discussion revolves around finding the partial derivative \(\frac{\partial y}{\partial x}\) from the equation \(3\sin(x^2 + y^2) = 5\cos(x^2 - y^2)\). Participants are exploring the application of partial differentiation and the implications of the equation.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • One participant presents an expression for \(\frac{\partial y}{\partial x}\) derived from their calculations, while another questions the transition from the original equation to the partial derivatives. There is a suggestion to take the partial derivative of both sides of the equation with respect to \(x\) to derive a new equation involving \(x\), \(y\), and \(\frac{\partial y}{\partial x}\).

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants examining the steps involved in differentiating the original equation. Some guidance has been provided regarding the algebraic manipulation needed to isolate \(\frac{\partial y}{\partial x}\), but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or final expression.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of maintaining the equality when applying differentiation and the need to account for the relationships between \(x\) and \(y\) in the context of partial derivatives. There are indications of potential confusion regarding the application of differentiation rules.

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Find [tex]\frac{\partial y}{\partial x}[/tex] of [tex]3sin (x^2 + y^2) = 5cos(x^2 - y^2)[/tex]


[tex]\partial y = 6ycos(x^2 + y^2) - 10ysin(x^2 - y^2)[/tex]
[tex]\partial x = 6xcos(x^2 + y^2) + 10xsin(x^2 - y^2)[/tex]

so I thought [tex]\frac{\partial y}{\partial x} = \frac{6ycos(x^2 + y^2) - 10ysin(x^2 - y^2)}{6xcos(x^2 + y^2) + 10xsin(x^2 - y^2)}[/tex]

but instead, the answer is supposed to be:

[tex]\frac{\partial y}{\partial x} = - \frac{6xcos(x^2 + y^2) + 10xsin(x^2 - y^2)}{6ycos(x^2 + y^2) - 10ysin(x^2 - y^2)}[/tex]
 
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cse63146 said:
Find [tex]\frac{\partial y}{\partial x}[/tex] of [tex]3sin (x^2 + y^2) = 5cos(x^2 - y^2)[/tex]


[tex]\partial y = 6ycos(x^2 + y^2) - 10ysin(x^2 - y^2)[/tex]
[tex]\partial x = 6xcos(x^2 + y^2) + 10xsin(x^2 - y^2)[/tex]
I don't see how you went from an equation to two partial differentials. What happened to the '=' in your first equation?

Instead, take the partial with respect to x of both sides, keeping in mind that the partial of x with respect to x is 1. You'll have an equation that involves x, y, and partial of y w.r.t. x, and you should be able to solve for this partial by using algebra.

cse63146 said:
so I thought [tex]\frac{\partial y}{\partial x} = \frac{6ycos(x^2 + y^2) - 10ysin(x^2 - y^2)}{6xcos(x^2 + y^2) + 10xsin(x^2 - y^2)}[/tex]

but instead, the answer is supposed to be:

[tex]\frac{\partial y}{\partial x} = - \frac{6xcos(x^2 + y^2) + 10xsin(x^2 - y^2)}{6ycos(x^2 + y^2) - 10ysin(x^2 - y^2)}[/tex]
 
isnt [tex]3sin (x^2 + y^2) = 5cos(x^2 - y^2) \Rightarrow 3sin (x^2 + y^2) - 5cos(x^2 - y^2) = 0[/tex]
 
Yes, the first equation implies the second. In your post, you skipped a lot of steps between where you started and the next line.

If you take the partial w.r.t x of 3 sin(x^2 + y^2) - 5 cos(x^2 - y^2), you're going to have factors of partial wrt x of (x^2 + y^2) and of (x^2 - y^2). For the first, you should get
2x + 2y*partial y w.r.t x. (Sorry I'm not able to use Tex, the database seems very slow and cranky today.) The other factor is similar, but with - between the two terms.
To summarize, after you take partials w.r.t. x of both sides of the equation, you should get this:
3 cos(x^2 + y^2)*(2x + 2y*partial y w.r.t. x) + 5 sin(x^2 - y^2) * (2x + 2y*partial y w.r.t. x) = 0.

You should be able to solve algebraically for partial y w.r.t. x.

An important point is that if you start with an equation, and apply an operator to both sides, you end up with an equation.
 

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