Partial Derivatives of Power Functions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the partial derivatives of a power function, specifically the function w=5xy/z, with respect to the variables y and z. Participants explore various differentiation techniques, including logarithmic differentiation, and clarify the properties of logarithms as they relate to the problem.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to find the partial derivative of w=5xy/z with respect to y or z, mentioning difficulties with logarithmic differentiation.
  • Another participant draws a parallel between the given problem and differentiating exponential functions like y=a^x and y=e^x, suggesting a similar approach may apply.
  • A participant outlines the steps for logarithmic differentiation of y=ax, but expresses uncertainty about its relevance to the original problem.
  • Several methods for differentiation are proposed, including taking the logarithm of w/5 and using properties of logarithms, such as ln(ab) = ln(a) + ln(b).
  • Participants discuss misconceptions about logarithmic properties, specifically the incorrect assumption that ln(abx)=xln(ab), while acknowledging that ln(ax)=xln(a) is valid.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct approach to differentiate the function w=5xy/z, and there are competing views regarding the application of logarithmic differentiation and the properties of logarithms.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about logarithmic properties and the specific steps in differentiation that remain unresolved.

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For a function such as

w=5xy/z

How would you find the partial derivative of w with respect to y or z? I've tried using basic logarithmic differentiation, but can't arrive at the correct answer. For reference, the correct answer is

wy=5*(xy/z/z)*ln(x)
 
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Do you know how to differentiate things like

[tex]y=a^x[/tex]

(with a constant) or

[tex]y=e^x[/tex]

to x?? This problem is exactly the same as the one you've given
 
To differentiate y=ax I would use logarithmic differentiation.

1) Take the ln of both sides: ln(y)=ln(ax)

2) Using properties of logs, this equals: ln(y)=x*ln(a)

3) Differentiating each side: y'/y=ln(a)

4) Solving for y': y'=y*ln(a)

5) Substituting for y: y'=ax*ln(a)



The derivative of y=ex is simply y'=ex*x', where x'=1.



Not sure how knowing these helps solve this problem though...here's my attempt:

w=5xy/z

1) Taking ln of both sides: ln(w)=ln(5xy/z)

2) Using properties of logs: ln(w)=(y/z)*ln(5x)

However, ln(5xy/z) ≠ (y/z)*ln(5x)
 
There are several ways you can get around this. One way is to take the logarithm of w/5 instead of w. Another is to use the fact that ln(ab) = ln(a) + ln(b). Yet a third way is to note that you already know how to differentiate h(y) = x^(y/z) and use the linearity of differentiation:in particular, the derivative of c*h(y) for any constant c is just c times the derivative of h(y).
 
Thanks slider.

I originally thought that ln(abx)=xln(ab), but apparently that's not true. Yet ln(ax)=xln(a). Why is this so?
 
SwaGGeReR said:
Thanks slider.

I originally thought that ln(abx)=xln(ab), but apparently that's not true. Yet ln(ax)=xln(a). Why is this so?
ln((ab)x)=xln(ab), but ln(a(bx))≠xln(ab). Does that make sense?
 
Got it. Thanks!
 

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