Partial Differential Equations: Separable Solutions

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The discussion revolves around finding the general solution to a partial differential equation of the form x.du/dx - (1/2).y.du/dy=0, with a focus on separable solutions. Participants explore the method of separation of variables and the implications of boundary conditions.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to separate variables and expresses the solution in terms of functions X(x) and Y(y). Some participants question the handling of constants and coefficients during the separation process. Others suggest revisiting the separation method and clarifying the role of integration constants.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering insights into the separation of variables and the implications of integration constants. There is recognition of the need to clarify the relationship between the constants derived from X and Y, and how they relate to the boundary conditions provided.

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There is mention of boundary conditions that complicate the solution process, specifically the condition u(1,y)= 1 + sin(y). Participants express concern about how to handle constants of integration in light of these conditions.

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Find the general solution of:

x.du/dx - (1/2).y.du/dy=0

I know that for it to be separable u(x,y)=X(x)Y(y)

so:

x.Y(y)dX/dx + (1/2).X(x)dY/dy = 0

which cancels to:

x/X(x).(dX/dx) = - y/2Y(y).dY/dy

so:

X(x) = -c. Y(y) c is some constant

so:

x/X(x).dX/dx = c
y/2Y(y).dY/dy=c

from here i am stuck. Any help appreciated
Thanks
 
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You lost a minus sign in your second equation.

Also, separation of variables is your friend. Just because you learned a method of solving differential equations a while ago doesn't mean you should abandon it

[tex]\frac{x}{X(x)}\frac{dX}{dx} = c[/tex]

So

[tex]\frac{dX}{X} = c \frac{dx}{x}[/tex]
 
Thanks I get
c.ln(x) + C=ln(X) => X=Ax^C
c.ln(y) +C= 1/2 ln(Y) => Ay^2C

so u(x,y)=X.Y=A^2(y^2C)(x^C)

...the contants for integration are required right? Just wondering because the second part of the question would be easier if they weren't there:

determine u(x,y) which satisfies the boundary conditon u(1,y)= 1 +sin y

I would go about this by making 1+siny = A^2((1)^C(Y^2C))

=> A^2=[1 - Sin(y)]/[y^2C]


so u(x,y) satisfied by the boundary condtion is:

u(x,y)=[1 - Sin(y)]/[y^2C].x^C.y^2C

y^2C cancel so:

u(x,y)=[1 - Sin(y)].x^C

BUT how do you get rid of that C or am i being stupid and iv made a previous mistake/mistakes



EDIT :OK Long winded but from finding out X and Y I can find the original c and hence A by finding the ratio between X an Y which is x/y^2 so A is known. Then the boundary condtion is simply finding the constant of integration c with known A? Il leave the previous mess on the post just to check your opinion.
Thanks
 
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You have some sloppy coefficient carrying there, but got lucky and ended up with an equivalent formula anyway

[tex] \frac{dX}{X} = c \frac{dx}{x}[/tex]

So

[tex]ln(X) = cln(x) + C_x[/tex]
which gives us

[tex]X = x^c*A_x[/tex] where [tex]A_x = e^{C_x}[/tex]. This is important because the constant of integration obtained in the formula for Y need not be the same (it happens not to matter in this case, but you could shoot yourself in the foot). Similarly

[tex]\frac{dY}{Y} = 2c\frac{dy}{y}[/tex] which gives us

[tex]ln(Y) = 2cln(y) + C_y[/tex]

and hence
[tex]Y = A_yy^{2c}[/tex] where [tex]A_y = e^{C_y}[/tex].

So

[tex]u(x,y) = A_xA_yx^cy^{2c}[/tex] we combine the multiplicative constants to get

[tex]u(x,y) = Ax^cy^{2c}[/tex]

But hark! This gives not the final solution. Because any linear combination of these is also a solution. In particular any infinite summation that happens to uniformly converge is also a solution. You know an infinite summation of 1+siny in terms of y, so try finding A's and c's such that when you sum up all the terms and set x=1 you get the power series of 1+siny
 

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