Graduate Partial of the divergence of a gradient?

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The discussion centers on the mathematical expression for the divergence of a gradient, specifically the term \frac{\partial}{\partial \phi_i}\left(\nabla \phi_i \cdot \nabla \phi_j \right). Participants explore various expansions of this expression and its implications in vector calculus, particularly in the context of phase field literature. Key references include works by Miyoshi and Takaki (2017) and Steinbach et al. (1996), which provide foundational equations relevant to the topic. The conversation emphasizes the need for clarity in differentiating between scalar and vector fields in these expressions.

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I am dealing with an expression in a large amount of literature usually presented as:

\frac{\partial}{\partial \phi_i}\left(\nabla \phi_i \cdot \nabla \phi_j \right)

I'm looking at tables of vector calculus identities and cannot seem to find one for the exact expression given, even if I remove the outside partial. Is it correct to expand this as:

\frac{\partial}{\partial \phi_i}\left[\frac{\partial \phi_i}{\partial x}\left(\frac{\partial \phi_j}{\partial x}\right)\right]+\frac{\partial}{\partial \phi_i}\left[\frac{\partial \phi_i}{\partial y}\left(\frac{\partial \phi_j}{\partial y}\right)\right]

or this:

\frac{\partial}{\partial \phi_i}\left[\frac{\partial}{\partial x}\left(\phi_i \frac{\partial \phi_j}{\partial x}\right)\right]+\frac{\partial}{\partial \phi_i}\left[\frac{\partial}{\partial y}\left(\phi_i\frac{\partial \phi_j}{\partial y}\right)\right]

Or are these the same?

I'm trying to construct the correct forward explicit, space centered, finite-difference of this expression but I can't find the correct form. Any help is appreciated.

EDIT: Looking at the wiki on vector calculus identities, it looks like this is a possible answer for the expression in parentheses:

\nabla^2(\phi_i \phi_j) = \phi_i\nabla^2\phi_j+2\nabla\phi_j\cdot\nabla\phi_j+\phi_j\nabla^2\phi_i
rearranging:
\nabla\phi_j\cdot\nabla\phi_j = \frac{1}{2}\left(\nabla^2(\phi_i\phi_j)-\phi_i\nabla^2\phi_j-\phi_j\nabla^2\phi_i\right)

Also, there is:
\nabla\cdot\left(\phi_i\nabla\phi_j\right) = \phi_i\nabla^2\phi_j + \nabla\phi_i\cdot \nabla\phi_j
rearranging:
\nabla\phi_i\cdot \nabla\phi_j = \nabla\cdot\left(\phi_i\nabla\phi_j\right)- \phi_i\nabla^2\phi_j
 
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Can you cite some of the large amount of literature?
 
martinbn said:
Can you cite some of the large amount of literature?
It's from phase field literature. For example, Eq 2 in Miyoshi and Takaki (2017).

Not all literature presents the term with the dot. For example, Eq. 9 in Steinbach and Pezzolla, 1999.

Apparently the term (without the outer partial) is equal to or generalized by the following expression (Eq. 6, Steinbach et al., 1996; Eq. 51, Moelans et al., 2008), but I can't see exactly how they differ:

|\phi_i\nabla\phi_j - \phi_j\nabla\phi_i |^2
References:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022024816308144?via=ihub
Miyoshi and Takaki (2017), Multi-phase-field study of the effects of anisotropic grain-boundary propertis on polycrystalline grain growth, Journal of Crystal Growth.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0364591607000880
Moelans et al. (2008), An introduction to phase-field modeling of microstructure evolution, Computer coupling of phase diagrams and thermochemistry.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167278999001293?via=ihub
Steinbach and Pezzolla (1999), A generalized field method for multiphase transformations using interface fields, Physica D: Nonlinear Phenomena.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0167278995002987
Steinbach et al. (1996), A phase field concept for multiphase systems, Physica D: Nonlinear Phenomena.
 
I cannot find the expression you wrote in any of these papers. Can you cite the equation number?

The expression that appears there is ##\nabla\phi_i\cdot\nabla\phi_j## (or without the dot). This is just the dot product of the two vectors.
 
martinbn said:
I cannot find the expression you wrote in any of these papers. Can you cite the equation number?

The expression that appears there is ##\nabla\phi_i\cdot\nabla\phi_j## (or without the dot). This is just the dot product of the two vectors.
Consider Miyoshi and Takaki (2017). ##\nabla\phi_i\cdot\nabla\phi_j## appears in Eq. 2, then variational derivatives of a function including the term are shown in Eq. 4. The apparent result is ##\nabla^2\phi_j## in Eq. 5. It's not clear to me how it is obtained.
 
I see. When you wrote ##\frac{\partial F}{\partial \phi}##, you meant ##\frac{\delta F}{\delta \phi}##. You need to look up calculus of variations.

Roughly it is the following. You have functional ##F## and you want to vary with respect to ##\phi_i##. In your case

##
F[\phi_i]=\int \left(-\nabla\phi_i\cdot\nabla\phi_j\right)dV.
##

Then the variation is

##
\frac{\delta F}{\delta \phi}=\frac{d}{d\varepsilon}F[\phi_i+\varepsilon\varphi]|_{\varepsilon=0}
##

That leads to

##
\int \left(-\nabla\varphi\cdot\nabla\phi_j\right)dV.
##

Here you use the identity ##\nabla(\varphi\nabla\phi_j)=\nabla\varphi\cdot\nabla\phi_j+\varphi\nabla^2\phi_j##, the divergence theorem, some boundary or decay conditions that make the boundary integral zero and you are left with.

##
\int \varphi\nabla^2\phi_jdV
##

and since ##\varphi## is any, and you are looking for stationary point, for the equations you have just ## \nabla^2\phi_j=0##.
 
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