Partial wave analysis - incoming/outgoing?

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of solutions to the radial part of Schrödinger's equation in the context of partial wave analysis, specifically regarding the distinction between incoming and outgoing waves in a spherically symmetric potential.

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  • One participant questions how the terms in the general solution of the radial Schrödinger equation can be classified as incoming or outgoing, noting their difference in the complex plane.
  • Another participant suggests using the radial momentum operator to compare the signs of the two terms, implying that this could clarify their classification.
  • A later reply indicates that the momentum for the first term is positive while the second term has negative momentum, suggesting that this distinction could imply the second term represents incoming waves, particularly for times t<0.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the argument is based on the direction of momentum rather than just its magnitude, stating that if ##k>0##, one solution carries momentum in the ##+r## direction and the other in the ##-r## direction.
  • One participant mentions that including a time-dependent factor, such as e^{-i\omega t}, clarifies the distinction between outgoing and incoming forms.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the solutions and the reasoning behind classifying them as incoming or outgoing, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

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The discussion involves assumptions about the behavior of the wave functions and their momentum, as well as the implications of time dependence, which are not fully explored or agreed upon.

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In the chapter on partial wave analysis in Griffiths's Introduction to Quantum Mechanics, he considers a spherically symmetric potential and says that for large r, the radial part of Schrödinger's equation becomes,

\frac{d^{2}u}{dr^{2}}≈-k^{2}u

with a general solution of

u(r)=C\exp{ikr}+D\exp{-ikr}.

He then says the first term represents the outgoing wave and the second term is the incoming wave. Why is that the case? These two differ by \pi in the complex plane, but I don't see how that enables one to make the "incoming"/"outgoing" distinction.
 
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Act on the solution with the radial momentum operator ##\hat{p}_r = -i\hbar \partial_r## and compare the signs of the two terms.
 
fzero said:
Act on the solution with the radial momentum operator ##\hat{p}_r = -i\hbar \partial_r## and compare the signs of the two terms.

Thanks! The operator yields the momentum for the first term and (-1)*momentum for the second. A negative magnitude for momentum does not make sense, so therefore it is to be evaluated for times t<0 making it the incoming wave. Is that the argument?
 
JoePhysicsNut said:
Thanks! The operator yields the momentum for the first term and (-1)*momentum for the second. A negative magnitude for momentum does not make sense, so therefore it is to be evaluated for times t<0 making it the incoming wave. Is that the argument?

We're computing the momentum, not just the magnitude. If ##k## is real, then the magnitude of momentum is always positive. We're also not discussing time dependence here. The argument is simply that, if ##k>0##, then one solution carries momentum in the ##+r## direction, while the other carries it in the ##-r## direction. If we did add in the time dependence, we could see this more explicitly, but it isn't necessary.
 
A factor e^{-i\omega t} is understood. This makes one form outgoing and the other ingoing.
 

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