Particle constrained to move on a hemisphere

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The discussion focuses on determining the reaction force on a particle sliding on the surface of an inverted hemisphere using Lagrangian multipliers. Key equations include the Lagrangian formulation and the derived expressions for potential and kinetic energy. The participant successfully derived the equations of motion but encountered issues with the radial acceleration and the signs of the gravitational force. The consensus indicates that the centripetal force must counteract the gravitational force, particularly noting the implications of the inverted hemisphere's orientation.

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Homework Statement


A particle slides on the outer surface of an inverted hemisphere. Using Lagrangian multipliers, determine the reaction force on the particle. Where does the particle leave the hemispherical surface?

L - Lagrangian
qi - Generalized ith coordinate
f(r) - Holonomic constraint
Qi - Generalized force of constraint on the ith particle
λj - Lagrangian multiplier

Homework Equations


\frac{d}{dt}\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot q_i} - \frac{\partial L}{\partial q_i} = \sum_{j=0}^k \lambda_j \frac{\partial f_j}{\partial q_i},\ i = 1, ..., n \ j = 1,... k\\ \\<br /> <br /> x = r * \sin\theta * \cos\phi\\<br /> y = r * \sin\theta * \sin\phi\\<br /> z = r * \cos\theta\\<br /> <br /> f(r) = r - R = 0\\<br /> <br /> Q_i = \sum_{j=0}^k \lambda_j \frac{\partial f_j}{\partial q_i}

The Attempt at a Solution


So I was able to derive the potential energy U = mgr \cos\theta the kinetic energy T = \frac{1}{2}m(\dot r^2 + r^2 \dot\theta^2 + r^2 \dot\phi^2 \sin^2\theta)I then inserted them into the Lagrangian and got the two equations
\frac{d}{dt}\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot q_i} - \frac{\partial L}{\partial q_i} = \lambda_r * \frac{\partial f}{\partial r} \\<br /> <br /> \frac{d}{dt}\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot q_i} - \frac{\partial L}{\partial q_i} = \lambda_\theta * \frac{\partial f}{\partial \theta}

Where \frac{\partial f}{\partial r} = 1 and \frac{\partial f}{\partial \theta} = 0

But after inputting L into these two equations I get:

Q_r = m \ddot r - mg\sin\theta - mr \dot \theta^2 - mr \dot \phi^2 \sin^2\theta

I think there is something wrong here, but it may just be me. Also, I already searched through other threads to find this answer.
 
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The separate terms in your final expression look reasonable. However, the constraints require that ##\ddot r = 0##. What is left is centripetal force required to keep the particle on the hemisphere and the force required to cancel the radial component of the gravitational force. I have not checked the signs, but it feels like the gravitational term should have the opposite sign (depending on what you mean by "inverted hemisphere").
 

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