Particle Elastic Collision problem

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The discussion revolves around a particle elastic collision problem involving two masses: a smaller mass (m) and a larger mass (2m). The original poster seeks to determine the final speed of the larger mass after the collision, as well as the angles Theta1 and Theta2. The problem is framed within the context of conservation of momentum and kinetic energy, with specific initial and final velocities provided.

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  • Participants explore the conservation of momentum in both x and y directions, as well as the conservation of kinetic energy. There are questions about the correctness of the derived equations and the assumptions made regarding the velocities after the collision.

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Some participants have offered alternative perspectives, such as considering the problem in the center-of-mass reference frame. There are indications of differing interpretations of the equations and the relationships between the velocities before and after the collision, but no consensus has been reached.

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Participants note the challenge of expressing equations clearly in the forum format and the complexity of the problem due to the involvement of angles and multiple components of motion.

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I have a problem here. I got "answers", but I don't believe they are correct and I have no idea where I went wrong.

The question is... "Determine the speed V_2 (V sub 2) of the larger mass after the collision and Theta 1 and Theta 2.

mass of smaller particle = m
mass of larger particle = 2m
Initial speed of m = 3V_0 (3 v knot)
Initial speed of 2m= 0
Final speed of m = 5^(.5)V_0
Final speed of 2m=V_2 ...??
Theta1= ?
Theta2= ?

This is obviously a conservation of momentum/Kinetic energy problem, with X and Y components of direction. Here is what I have.

3mV_0=5^(.5)V_0Cos(theta1)+(2m)2^(.5)V_0Cos(theta2 )--->Conservation of momentum in the x direction(COMX)

0=5^(.5)mV_0Sin(theta1)-2*2^(.5)mV_0Sin(theta2)--->Conservation of momentum in the y direction(COMY)

.5*m(3V_0)^2=(m(5^(.5*V_0)^2)*(.5)+m(V_2final)^2--->Conservation of Kenetic ENergy(COKE)
(COKE) goes down to (2^(.5))*(V_0)
(COMY) goes to 0=5^(.5)*Sin(theta1)-2*2^(.5)*Sin(theta2)
(COMX) goes to 3=5^(.5)Cos(theta1)+2*2^(.5)*Cos(theta2)

Any mistakes ? Any suggestions? Thanks for looking, and sorry I am not very well schooled in how to write equations on the computer. PS: theta1 will be angle of m (from the horizontal) and theta2 will be angle of 2m(from the horizontal)

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p_x : m 3v_0 = m sqrt(5)v_0 cos(theta1) + 2m ***v_2***cos(theta2)
. . . . how did you figure out immediately that v_2 = sqrt(2) v_0 ?

(It might be easier to calculate this in the "center-of-mass" reference frame,
(the bee in c.o.m. frame sees the total momentum = 0 ; bee has v_x = v_0).
 
(KE)im1=(KE)fm1+(KE)fm2--->
masses cancel out and 2*m*(.5) cancels out to give the following
(((3Vi)^2)/2)=(.5*(sqrt5Vi)^2)+Velocity^2[<---velocity for mass 2]
3vi^2=9vi^2,---->sqrt5Vi^2=5Vi^2, so---> Taking .5*sqrt5Vi^2 to the other side
((9Vi^2)\2)-((5Vi^2)\2)=(Velocity final for mass 2)^2---> Subtracting Vi from Vi
then 4/2*Vi^2=(Velocity final for mass 2)^2---> Sqrt'ing whole equation
Then sqrt2*Vi=(Velocity final for mass 2)
 
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For a Perfectly Elastic collision, like yours,
the relative velocity after collision to be opposite the rel.velocity before.
. . . ( but 3 v_0 - 0 =/= - sqrt(5) v_0 - sqrt(2) v_0 ~ 3.6 v_0 ) . . .
in the center-of-mass reference frame.
v_1fy = -2 v_2fy . . . . . and . . . . v_1fx = - 2 ( v_2fx ) .
so, we can add the velocity triangles and we find that the v_fx = 0 !

This leads to (in lab frame) : v_1fy = +/- 2 v_0 , v_1fx = - v_0 ;
so tan(theta1) = +/- 2 (it is symmetric across the x-axis).
 

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