How Does the Particle's Velocity Change on the Roller Coaster Track?

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The discussion focuses on calculating the velocity of a particle on a roller coaster track, specifically at point B, using energy conservation principles. The initial velocity, denoted as ##v_{B}##, is derived from gravitational potential energy and kinetic energy equations, leading to the formula ##v_{B} = \sqrt{2gh_{1}}##. Participants highlight the importance of understanding the constraints of the track's shape, particularly whether it follows a parabolic path or is supported by the track. The problem's statement requires finding the velocity at B, the components of that velocity, and the height ##h_{2}##, given a horizontal distance of 10m between points B and C.

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Homework Statement
How can I find ##h_{2}## in terms of the other variables knowing that the horizontal distance between B and C is 10m? (the particle is initially at rest)
Relevant Equations
##E_{i} = E_{f}##
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I first found ##v_{B}## by ##E_{p,A,B} = mgh_{1} = E_{c, B} = \frac{1}{2}mv_{B}^2 \therefore v_{B} = \sqrt{2gh_{1}} ##
After this I made several failed attempts basically trying to find its final velocity so I could use conservation of energy. Spliting the velocity into its components never worked because the force in these components varies with the angle as it falls.
 
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Are we told anything else?
For example, is that curve supposed to be a cubic curve?

In the segment from B to C, is the particle supported by the track - or is it following a parabolic path?
 
That's all, as far as I know. This is actually an
.Scott said:
Are we told anything else?
For example, is that curve supposed to be a cubic curve?

In the segment from B to C, is the particle supported by the track - or is it following a parabolic path?
That's all, the problem's statement is simply "the following picture represents the configuration of a falling objetc". It's actually a problem I tried to solve for another person but I couldn't figure out after an hour
 
Celso said:
That's all, as far as I know. This is actually an

That's all, the problem's statement is simply "the following picture represents the configuration of a falling objetc". It's actually a problem I tried to solve for another person but I couldn't figure out after an hour

What are you trying to calculate? Why can't ##h_2## be any height you like?
 
Celso said:
That's all, the problem's statement is simply "the following picture represents the configuration of a falling objetc". It's actually a problem I tried to solve for another person but I couldn't figure out after an hour
There seem to only two constraints on the segment from B to C. The first is that the particle rests on the track, so the particle cannot fall any faster than if there was no track there. That would be a parabolic path and would give you a maximum value for h2.
The other constraint is that B appears to be an inflection point - with the path never again rising to meet the tangent line at point B. So at its highest, the B to C segment will follow just below that tangent line - giving the minimum value for h2.
 
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@Celso :
Could you show us the entire problem as presented in the book?
It appears to be written in Portugese.
 
.Scott said:
@Celso :
Could you show us the entire problem as presented in the book?
It appears to be written in Portugese.
yes, it's in portuguese. I don't have the file now (it's on my PC), apart from what I've written in my previous answer, it only asks to find:
•The velocity at B
•The x and y components of the velocity at B
•The height h2 knowing that the horizontal distance between B and C is 10m

The first two are elementar, maybe that's an indicator that there might be missing information
 
PeroK said:
What are you trying to calculate? Why can't ##h_2## be any height you like?
because if the problem is consistent (which I'm not sure), ##h_{2}## can be written as function of the other given variables
 
Celso said:
because if the problem is consistent (which I'm not sure), ##h_{2}## can be written as function of the other given variables

Unless the path from B to C is falling under gravity (no track), then there is no unique solution for the shape of the track from B to C, as @.Scott has said.
 

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