Particle in finite well (Schroedinger)

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The discussion revolves around a quantum mechanics problem involving a particle in a finite potential well, specifically analyzing the Schrödinger equation in three regions defined by the potential. Participants are tasked with deriving solutions for the wave function in each region and exploring conditions for maximum and minimum transmission probabilities.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the form of the potential and its implications for the Schrödinger equation, with some attempting to derive solutions for the wave function in different regions. Questions arise regarding the use of time-independent versus time-dependent equations, and the conditions for maximum transmission are explored.

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There is an ongoing exchange of ideas with participants providing corrections and suggestions for deriving the wave functions. Some participants express confusion about the relationship between time-dependent and time-independent solutions, while others work through specific equations and conditions for transmission.

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Participants note the lack of explicit equations in the problem statement and the conceptual nature of the questions. There is mention of potential algebraic errors in previous attempts, and some participants are seeking clarification on deriving specific parameters related to the wave functions.

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Homework Statement



A particle with energy greater than the potential is defined as below:

V(x) = Vo (x<0)

V(x) = 0 (0<x<a)

V(x) = Vo (x>a)

a) Write the complete solutions (time and space) to the S. Eqn for the 3 regions

b) What condition must the width of the potential satisfy for the transmission of a wave from the left to be a maximum?

c) What is the minimum possible value for the transmission? What conditions must the weidth of the potential satisfy for this?

Homework Equations


None, really. It seems more conceptual.

The Attempt at a Solution



If I am not mistaken, this represents a simple harmonic oscillator.
I believe to have figured out the answer to part A.
Region 2 has the Schrödinger equation:
(-h(bar)/2m)(d2[tex]\psi[/tex]/dx2) + 1/2kx2[tex]\psi[/tex] = ih(bar)d[tex]\psi[/tex]/dt
whose bound state solutions are [tex]\psi[/tex](x,t)=[tex]\psi[/tex](x)e^(-iEt/h(bar))

The solution for Region 1 = Region 3 is:
(-h(bar)/2m)(d2[tex]\psi[/tex]/dx2) + 1/2kx2[tex]\psi[/tex] = ih(bar)d[tex]\psi[/tex]/dt
[tex]\psi[/tex]''(x)=(alpha)2[tex]\psi[/tex](x) where (alpha)2 = (2m/h(bar)2)(V(x)-E)

For problem b, I have an idea that since the wave function is Asinkx, the length (x) would have to be long enough so that it reaches a maximum at the second barrier (sin(pi/2)).

I could be going about this problem completely wrong. I've read through the textbook many times and it just doesn't reach this level of detail.

Any help would be much appreciated!
 
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elninio0397 said:

Homework Statement



A particle with energy greater than the potential is defined as below:

V(x) = Vo (x<0)

V(x) = 0 (0<x<a)

V(x) = Vo (x>a)

a) Write the complete solutions (time and space) to the S. Eqn for the 3 regions

b) What condition must the width of the potential satisfy for the transmission of a wave from the left to be a maximum?

c) What is the minimum possible value for the transmission? What conditions must the weidth of the potential satisfy for this?

Homework Equations


None, really. It seems more conceptual.

The Attempt at a Solution



If I am not mistaken, this represents a simple harmonic oscillator.
You are mistaken. You're told what V(x) equals, and it's clearly not V(x)=1/2 kx2.
I believe to have figured out the answer to part A.
Region 2 has the Schrödinger equation:
(-h(bar)/2m)(d2[tex]\psi[/tex]/dx2) + 1/2kx2[tex]\psi[/tex] = ih(bar)d[tex]\psi[/tex]/dt
whose bound state solutions are [tex]\psi[/tex](x,t)=[tex]\psi[/tex](x)e^(-iEt/h(bar))

The solution for Region 1 = Region 3 is:
(-h(bar)/2m)(d2[tex]\psi[/tex]/dx2) + 1/2kx2[tex]\psi[/tex] = ih(bar)d[tex]\psi[/tex]/dt
[tex]\psi[/tex]''(x)=(alpha)2[tex]\psi[/tex](x) where (alpha)2 = (2m/h(bar)2)(V(x)-E)

For problem b, I have an idea that since the wave function is Asinkx, the length (x) would have to be long enough so that it reaches a maximum at the second barrier (sin(pi/2)).

I could be going about this problem completely wrong. I've read through the textbook many times and it just doesn't reach this level of detail.

Any help would be much appreciated!
Use the time-independent Schrödinger equation. You're given the potential, so just plug it in and solve, with the assumption that E>V0. The idea is to solve the equation in the three regions and then join the solutions together smoothly at the boundaries. At x=0, you require [itex]\psi(0^-)=\psi(0^+)[/itex] and [itex]\psi'(0^-)=\psi'(0^+), and you have similar conditions at x=a.[/itex]
 
I'm afraid you have me confused then. How is it that I can use the time-independent S. Equation when the problem specifically asks for a complete time and space solution?
 
I've reworked my solution for part a and have come up with the following solutions:

For the region in the well - [tex]\psi[/tex](x,t) = Aexp(ik2x)exp(iwt) + Bexp(-ik2x)exp(-iwt) where k2=((2mE)^-1/2)/hbar.

For the region outside the well - d^2[tex]\psi[/tex]/dx^2 + 2m/hbar^2 (E-V0)[tex]\psi[/tex] = 0 which has the solution [tex]\psi[/tex](x) = Aexp(ik1x)exp(-iwt) + Bexp(-ik1x)exp(-iwt) where k1=((2m(E-V0))^-1/2)/hbar.

Assuming this is correct, how are parts b and c accomplished?

My work for part b)
T=1 occurs when sin^2(k1a)=0 from the equation T= 1 + (sin^2(k1a))/(4(E/V0)((E/V0-1)) = 1

I'm still stumped for part c. How can this equation become lower than 1 and how could I find this minimum value?
 
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elninio0397 said:
I'm afraid you have me confused then. How is it that I can use the time-independent S. Equation when the problem specifically asks for a complete time and space solution?
Sorry, I missed that. In any case, the time dependence separates out, so you use the time-independent equation to solve for the spatial part and put the two pieces together to get the complete time-and-space solution. Your book should show how that works. Or you can refer to http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/SchroedingerEquation.html.
elninio0397 said:
I've reworked my solution for part a and have come up with the following solutions:

For the region in the well - [tex]\psi[/tex](x,t) = Aexp(ik2x)exp(iwt) + Bexp(-ik2x)exp(-iwt) where k2=((2mE)^-1/2)/hbar.

For the region outside the well - d^2[tex]\psi[/tex]/dx^2 + 2m/hbar^2 (E-V0)[tex]\psi[/tex] = 0 which has the solution [tex]\psi[/tex](x) = Aexp(ik1x)exp(-iwt) + Bexp(-ik1x)exp(-iwt) where k1=((2m(E-V0))^-1/2)/hbar.
You have made some algebra errors. The expressions for k1 and k2 are wrong. You need to fix those before you go on.
Assuming this is correct, how are parts b and c accomplished?

My work for part b)
T=1 occurs when sin^2(k1a)=0 from the equation T= 1 + (sin^2(k1a))/(4(E/V0)((E/V0-1)) = 1

I'm still stumped for part c. How can this equation become lower than 1 and how could I find this minimum value?
Your expression for T is wrong. It can't exceed 1.
 
...Misread my own notes for T. =1 should read ^-1.

Thank you for all your help thus far. I'll get back at it in the morning..
 
How exactly do I find the expressions for k1 and k2? The ones that I took came from a similar example done in class. I can't find any information regarding how k is found, I can only find concrete values for specific examples.
 
Well, you really shouldn't be taking them from anywhere. You should be solving the Schrödinger equation and deriving the results on your own.

In the middle region (0<x<a), you have V(x)=0, so the time-independent Schrödinger equation reduces to

[tex]-\frac{\hbar^2}{2m}\psi''(x) = E\psi[/tex]

After a little rearranging, you get

[tex]\psi''(x)+\frac{2mE}{\hbar^2}\psi(x)=0[/tex]

This is a simple, second-order linear differential equation with constant coefficients. What are its solutions?
 

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