Particle undergoes a displacement

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The discussion revolves around the motion of a particle described by a position vector \(\vec{r}\) and its displacement over time. Participants explore the relationship between displacement, velocity, and the trajectory of the particle, particularly as time approaches zero and infinity.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants question how the expression for displacement \(\vec{v} \Delta t\) can be tangent to the trajectory as \(\Delta t\) approaches zero, noting that both \(\Delta \vec{r}\) and \(\vec{v} \Delta t\) seem to approach zero.
  • There is discussion about the behavior of the position vector \(\vec{r}\) and velocity \(\vec{v}\) as time approaches infinity, with some participants expressing confusion about the implications of the exponential terms in the equations.
  • One participant mentions an error in the expression for \(\vec{v}\) and questions the purpose of taking limits as \(t\) approaches infinity.
  • Another participant suggests that for large \(t\), the second term in the position vector can be neglected due to its diminishing contribution compared to the first term.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants actively questioning the assumptions and interpretations of the mathematical expressions involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the asymptotic behavior of the trajectory, but no consensus has been reached on the overall understanding of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of homework guidelines, which may limit the depth of exploration into the mathematical details. There is an emphasis on sketching the trajectory, which introduces additional considerations about the asymptotic behavior of the position vector.

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Lets say we have [tex]\vec{r} = x\vec{i} + y\vec{j} + z\vec{k}[/tex]. If the particle undergoes a displacement [tex]\Delta \vec{r}[/tex] in time [tex]\Delta t[/tex] then we know that [tex]\Delta r \doteq \frac{d\vec{r}}{dt} \Delta t = \vec{v}\Delta t[/tex].

How is [tex]\vec{v} \Delta t[/tex] tangent to the particles trajectory, when we take [tex]\Delta t \rightarrow 0[/tex]? Wouldn't the expression become 0? I can see how [tex]\Delta \vec{r} \rightarrow 0[/tex] as [tex]\Delta t \rightarrow 0[/tex].

Also let's say we have the following:

[tex]\vect{r} = A(e^{\alpha t}\vec{i} + e^{-\alpha t}\vec{j})[/tex]

I know that [tex]\vec{v} = A(\alpha e^{\alpha t}\vec{i} + e^{-\alpha t}\vec{j})[/tex]

As [tex]t\rightarrow \infty, e^{\alpha t} \rightarrow \infty[/tex] and [tex]e^{-\alpha t} \rightarrow 0[/tex]. From this how do we come to the conclusion that [tex]\vec{r} \rightarrow Ae^{\alpha t}\vec{i}[/tex]? I thought that [tex]\vec{r} \rightarrow \infty[/tex].

Similarily, [tex]\vec{v} \rightarrow \alpha Ae^{\alpha t}\vec{i}[/tex] when it seems like it should approach [tex]\infty[/tex]. Perhaps it has to do something with the x-components?

[tex]\alpha[/tex] is a constant.

Thanks for your help
 
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sherlockjones said:
How is [tex]\vect{v} \Delta t[/tex] tangent to the particles trajectory, when we take [tex]\Delta t \rightarrow 0[/tex]? Wouldn't the expression become 0? I can see how [tex]\Delta \vect{r} \rightarrow 0[/tex] as [tex]\Delta t \rightarrow 0[/tex].
The expression [tex]v\Delta t[/tex] would approach zero. It's the vector [tex]v=\lim_{t\to 0}\Delta r/Delta t[/tex] that is tangential to the particle's trajectory.

Also let's say we have the following:

[tex]\vect{r} = A(e^{\alpha t}\vect{i} + e^{-\alpha t}\vect{j})[/tex]

I know that [tex]\vect{v} = A(\alpha e^{\alpha t}\vect{i} + e^{-\alpha t}\vect{j})[/tex]

As [tex]t\rightarrow \infty, e^{\alpha t} \rightarrow \infty[/tex] and [tex]e^{-\alpha t} \rightarrow 0[/tex]. From this how do we come to the conclusion that [tex]\vect{r} \rightarrow Ae^{\alpha t}\vect{i}[/tex]? I thought that [tex]\vect{r} \rightarrow \infty[/tex].

Similarily, [tex]\vect{v} \rightarrow \alpha Ae^{\alpha t}\vect{i}[/tex] when it seems like it should approach [tex]\infty[/tex]. Perhaps it has to do something with the x-components?

Thanks for your help
I`m not sure what you want to do here. There's an error in the expression for v (not sure if that's a typo). Then (assuming alpha>0) you take the limit as t-> infinity (what for?).

It's true that r-> infinity if t-> infinity, but If you want to approximate the trajectory for large t, you can drop the second term since it is vanishingly small in comparison with the first term.
 
They wanted me to sketch the trajectory. But [tex]\vec{r} = Ae^{\alpha t }\vec{i}} + Ae^{-\alpha t}\vec{j}[/tex]?
Then the second term approaches 0 and the first term approaches [tex]\infty[/tex]. So then doesn't [tex]\vec{r} \rightarrow \infty[/tex]?
 
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Yes, but that doesn't help in sketching the trajectory. You want the asymptotic behaviour of r, not the limit as t-> infinity.
 

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