Passive Hydraulic System to Transmit Mechanical Power

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design of a passive hydraulic system intended to transmit mechanical power using fluid as the energy conduit. Participants explore the requirements for moving a specific force at a designated speed, the dimensions of the hydraulic cylinders, and the necessary pipe dimensions to minimize friction losses.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks guidance on designing a hydraulic system to move 200N at a speed of 0.4 m/s, expressing uncertainty about where to start due to their background in electronics.
  • Another participant suggests that the question is complex and recommends reviewing basic hydraulic principles, providing a link to educational resources.
  • A different participant questions whether the original poster has reviewed the information accompanying a referenced video, implying that it may contain relevant insights.
  • The original poster clarifies their intention to illustrate a specific cylinder arrangement rather than building a robot and shares calculations indicating that a cylinder with a 0.05m diameter and 0.1m length would generate a pressure of 10 bars.
  • The original poster calculates a volumetric flow rate of 784 E-6 cubic meters per second and seeks advice on determining an appropriate pipe diameter to accommodate this flow while managing friction.
  • One participant reassures that friction is typically not a significant issue in reasonably sized hydraulic lines and provides a reference for recommended pipe sizes.
  • The original poster expresses appreciation for the reference manual, indicating it may assist in their calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on specific design parameters or calculations, and multiple viewpoints regarding the complexity of the problem and the resources available remain present.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about hydraulic principles and does not resolve the specifics of friction losses or the exact dimensions required for the system.

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Hi All,

I am trying to displace mechanical power using a hydraulic system with the fluid as the energy conduit.
I will be using two cylinders with a connecting pipe, so when I push one down the other rises.
This video illustrates well what I am going for in terms of hydraulic topology.



My requirements for the system are to move 200N with a speed of 0.4 m/s and I am thinking of a cylinder length of 0.2m.

The two cylinders on either side of the system should be identical, but I have no idea where to begin designing the system to meet my requirements (I'm an electronic engineer... go figure).

I need to find the dimensions that will allow me to transfer this power from one side to the other without significant pipe losses due to friction etc.

Are there any hydraulic engineers/fluid dynamics engineers out there who can tell me where to start/what equations I should be using for cylinder dimensions and minimum pipe dimensions?

This question might be a bit vague but I would be very grateful for a push in the right direction?

Thank you very much. :)
 
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Your question would need many pages to answer fully .

Have a look at basics described here :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/science/triple_aqa/using_physics_make_things_work/hydraulics/revision/2/

Try sketching something out just using basic knowledge and your own intuition .

Please come back with any specific questions .
 
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Thanks for your replies.

My intention is not to build a robot, I used that video to illustrate the cylinder arrangement that I want. Sorry I did not make that clear.

OK, I've done some calculations and with 200N on a cylinder with a inner diameter of 0.05m and length of 0.1m will give a pressure of 10bars (1MPa) acting outwards on the whole cylinder.
(I've seen some cylinders rated at 10 bars hence this number).

So if I wanted to push it down with a speed of 0.4 m/s the volumetric flow rate out of the cylinder and into the pipe will be 784 E-6 cubic meters per second.

So how do I work out the diameter of a pipe that will accommodate that flow with a workable level of friction?

Thanks again. :)
 
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Ah, that's a nice reference manual that might save me some tedious calculations. Thanks :)
 

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