Graduate Path between fixed points in a logistic map

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The discussion centers on the behavior of fixed points in the logistic map, specifically in the context of period doubling and 4-cycles. The user questions why applying the function f^2 to a fixed point results in the nearest neighbor fixed point, denoted as x', rather than potentially moving to a more distant fixed point. The lecture notes suggest that this relationship holds true across n-cycles, leading to confusion about the equivalence of the fixed points. The user seeks clarification on the underlying reasons for this behavior and the connection between the fixed points. Understanding these dynamics is crucial for grasping the properties of iterative maps in chaotic systems.
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Hello,

I have a question about period doubling and fixed points in the logistic map. Let's say I have a basic logistic map, ##f(x) = 4\lambda x(1-x)##. Let me then compare 1,2 and 4 iterations of this map on fixed points. I assume that ##\lambda## is large enough such that two period doublings have occured, and a 4-cycle exists.

Now if ##\bar{x}## represents a fixed point for ##f^4(x)## (4 iterations of the map), then we have by definition, $$f(\bar{x}) = \bar{x}.$$ Obviously from this it follows that applying the function ##f^2(\bar{x})## twice should also take one back to point ##\bar{x}##, however this is where my confusion comes in. We are in a 4 cycle, so 4 different fixed points relative to $f^4$ exist. Let's call the fixed points closest to ##\bar{x}## (nearest neighbour) ##\bar{x}'##.

My lecture notes state that, ##f^2(\bar{x}) = \bar{x}'##. In other words, applying the map twice to a fixed point always takes one to the nearest neighbour. It is stated that this can also be extended to the general n-cycle case, where one would have, ##\bar{x}' = f^{2^{n-1}}(\bar{x})##.

I do not understand why these properties are true. There are 4 different fixed points, and I don't see why the path through these different points has to follow this form, since as I understand it all these points are practically equivalent. Why if I apply ##f^2## can't I go to a different point further away?

I suppose there is some connection between the nearest neighbours ##\bar{x}## and ##\bar{x}'##, but I am just not seeing it. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
 
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Decimal said:
Hello,

I have a question about period doubling and fixed points in the logistic map. Let's say I have a basic logistic map, ##f(x) = 4\lambda x(1-x)##. Let me then compare 1,2 and 4 iterations of this map on fixed points. I assume that ##\lambda## is large enough such that two period doublings have occured, and a 4-cycle exists.

Now if ##\bar{x}## represents a fixed point for ##f^4(x)## (4 iterations of the map), then we have by definition, $$f(\bar{x}) = \bar{x}.$$
Wouldn't ##\bar x## be a fixed point for ##f^4##? If ##\bar x## is a fixed point for ##f^4##, then it should be the case that ##f^4(\bar x) = \bar x##.
Decimal said:
Obviously from this it follows that applying the function ##f^2(\bar{x})## twice should also take one back to point ##\bar{x}##, however this is where my confusion comes in. We are in a 4 cycle, so 4 different fixed points relative to $f^4$ exist. Let's call the fixed points closest to ##\bar{x}## (nearest neighbour) ##\bar{x}'##.

My lecture notes state that, ##f^2(\bar{x}) = \bar{x}'##. In other words, applying the map twice to a fixed point always takes one to the nearest neighbour. It is stated that this can also be extended to the general n-cycle case, where one would have, ##\bar{x}' = f^{2^{n-1}}(\bar{x})##.

I do not understand why these properties are true. There are 4 different fixed points, and I don't see why the path through these different points has to follow this form, since as I understand it all these points are practically equivalent. Why if I apply ##f^2## can't I go to a different point further away?

I suppose there is some connection between the nearest neighbours ##\bar{x}## and ##\bar{x}'##, but I am just not seeing it. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
 

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