Pendulum motion and pythagorean theorem

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the horizontal and vertical components of a pendulum's position, specifically expressed through the equation y = L - [(L^2 - x^2)^1/2]. The context involves applying the Pythagorean theorem to analyze the geometry of the pendulum's motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of the Pythagorean theorem and the setup of triangles to derive the relationship between the components. There is an exploration of the identities related to the triangles formed by the pendulum's motion.

Discussion Status

Some participants have identified a correction in the equation relating the sides of the triangles, moving from an initial misunderstanding to a clearer formulation. There is a sense of progress as one participant expresses realization about the simplicity of the solution after engaging with the discussion.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can use or the methods they can apply. There is an indication of confusion regarding the correct application of the Pythagorean theorem in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement



Show that the relation between the horizontal and vertical components of the ball's position is given by the equation: y = L - [(L^2 - x^2)^1/2]

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Homework Equations



y = L - [(L^2 - x^2)^1/2]

The Attempt at a Solution



I know the solution must involve Pythagorean theorem and drawing a second triangle.
The first triangle has hypotenuse of length L, and other sides are L-y and x. That identity is given by L^2 = (L-y)^2 - x^2.
Drawing a second triangle, the sides are x and y but I don't know what the identity of the hypotenuse is. that equation would be x^2 + y^2 = hypotenuse^2

I don't know where to go from there...
 

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sunnyday01 said:

Homework Statement



Show that the relation between the horizontal and vertical components of the ball's position is given by the equation: y = L - [(L^2 - x^2)^1/2]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/94066958@N08/8553595522/in/photostream/

Homework Equations



y = L - [(L^2 - x^2)^1/2]

The Attempt at a Solution



I know the solution must involve Pythagorean theorem and drawing a second triangle.
The first triangle has hypotenuse of length L, and other sides are L-y and x. That identity is given by L^2 = (L-y)^2 - x^2.
Drawing a second triangle, the sides are x and y but I don't know what the identity of the hypotenuse is. that equation would be x^2 + y^2 = hypotenuse^2

I don't know where to go from there...
Hello sunnyday01. Welcome to PF !

If a & b are legs of a right triangle with hypotenuse, c, then
c2 = a2 + b2

In your equation, L^2 = (L-y)^2 - x^2, why do you have the sign between. (L-y)2 and x2 as a minus sign ?
 
formula correction

It should be:
L2 = (L-y)2 + x2
 
sunnyday01 said:
It should be:
L2 = (L-y)2 + x2
Yes.

... and that should be all you need to get the desired result.
 
I think I figured it out!

so, I think:
L2 = (L-y)2 + x2
L2-x2 = (L-y)2
(L2-x2)1/2 = L - y
-(L2-x2)1/2 = - L + y
L -(L2-x2)1/2 = y

I think that's it! Having to crop a picture for this question made me focus only on the variables I needed in the diagram.

I see the solution now is really simple, I feel silly for not seeing it sooner. Thank you for being so nice about it!
 

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