Perfectly inelastic collision - energies

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The discussion focuses on the calculation of the minimum kinetic energy required for a moving electron to excite an atom from its ground state to an excited state. The derived formula for the minimum kinetic energy, K_{initial}, is K_{initial} = \frac{E(M+m_e)}{M}, where E represents the internal energy of the excited state. The conservation of momentum is also applied, leading to the final velocity equation v_{final} = \frac{m_e v_0}{m_e + M}. The forum participant initially miscalculated the relationship between kinetic energy and momentum but corrected it to arrive at the accurate formula.

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Homework Statement


An atom of mass M is initially at rest in its ground state. A moving (nonrelativistic) electron of mass m_e collides with the atom. The atom+electron system can exist in an 'excited state' in which the electron is absorbed into the atom. The excited state has an extra 'internal' energy E relative to the atom's ground state.

Homework Equations


Show that the minimum kinetic energy K_{initial} that the electron must have in order to excite the atom is given as:
K_{initial} = \frac{(M+m_e)E}{M} and derive a formula for the associated minimum kinetic speed v_{0min}

3. Additional information
From conservation of momentum v_{final} = \frac{m_e v_0}{m_e +M} and so KE_{final}=1/2 \frac{(m_e*v_0)^2}{m_e +M}
which can be written KE_{final}=\frac{K_{initial}}{M+m_e}
4. The attempt at a solution

minimum KE_{initial} = KE_{final}+ E = \frac{KE_{initial}}{M+m_e} + E
so KE_{initial}(1-1/(M+m_e))= E
KE_{initial} = \frac{E}{1-1/(M+m_e)}

which is different from the correct answer.
What am I doing wrong?
 
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kapitan90 said:
From conservation of momentum v_{final} = \frac{m_e v_0}{m_e +M} and so KE_{final}=1/2 \frac{(m_e*v_0)^2}{m_e +M}
which can be written KE_{final}=\frac{K_{initial}}{M+m_e}
Check that last equation.
 
NascentOxygen said:
Check that last equation.

I got the mistake, the answer should be:
KE_{final}=1/2 (\frac{m_e*v_0}{m_e +M})^2
which can be written KE_{final}=\frac{K_{initial}m_e}{M+m_e}
Hence
minimum KE_{initial} = KE_{final}+ E = \frac{K_{initial}m_e}{M+m_e} + E
so KE_{initial}(1-{m_e}/(M+m_e))= E
KE_{initial} = \frac{E(M+m_e)}{M}

Thank you for your reply!
 

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