Permanent Magnets: How Energy Is Stored in Magnetic Fields

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of permanent magnets, specifically how energy is stored in their magnetic fields and the behavior of atomic magnetic dipoles within these materials. Participants explore concepts related to magnetic domains, energy costs associated with rearranging magnetic moments, and the mechanisms behind energy dissipation in magnetic materials.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that permanent magnets can be viewed as composed of many tiny magnetic dipoles, relating this to atomic spins.
  • Another participant explains that in newly prepared or demagnetized samples, atomic moments can rearrange to minimize energy, but in permanent magnets, they form domains that are energetically favorable and aligned in specific directions.
  • A participant questions the scale of these magnetic dipoles, expressing skepticism about the concept of friction affecting atomic nuclei and seeking clarification on the physical mechanisms involved.
  • In response, it is noted that the energy lost in the hysteresis loop manifests as heat, and the mechanisms at play include coupling of magnetic moments to vibrational modes, crystal imperfections, and magnetostriction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of friction at the atomic level and the mechanisms involved in energy dissipation, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the scale of magnetic dipoles and the nature of friction in magnetic materials are not fully explored, and the discussion does not resolve the complexities of these concepts.

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So we can think permanent magnets to be composed of large number of tiny magnetic dipoles? You can hear this in very elementary introductions. I would guess this is some kind of approximation to the spins of the atoms, or something...

There is energy stored in the magnetic field, so if these magnetic dipoles would rearrange themselves so that their magnetic fields would cancel, the system would reach lower potential. Why does this not happen with permanent magnets?
 
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This does happen in a newly prepared sample of magnetic material, or in one that has been demagnetized ("degaussed"). However the microscopic view is complicated. Atomic moments are not just randomly distributed; instead it is energetically favorable to form small pockets or domains that have the moments all aligned inside. It is the directions and volumes of the domains that are randomized and, on average, sum to zero. When a ferromagnet is magnetized, domains along the magnetization direction grow at the expense of those pointing in other directions.

Having described that, we can address your question. There is an energy cost to rotate the atomic moments or, equivalently, grow the domains. In essence there is friction. This is reflected macroscopically as the energy lost in traversing the B-H hysteresis loop.
 
How big these "small magnetic dipoles" actually are? For example, I have difficulty believing that individual atomic nucleus in the lattice would suffer any friction if they rearranged their spin orientation. Usually only macroscopic objects experience friction. This "friction" is probably something very different from mechanical friction. What is the physical mechanism behind it?
 
The energy dissipated in the hysteresis loop shows up as heat, prompting the analogy to friction. The actual mechanisms involve coupling of magnetic moments to vibrational modes, effects of crystal imperfections and impurities, magnetostriction (where changes in magnetism cause mechanical strains in the crystal), and others.
 

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