Perturbation theory question (in Quarks & Leptons)

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The discussion revolves around the application of nonrelativistic perturbation theory as presented in the book "Quarks and Leptons" by Halzen and Martin, particularly concerning the transition amplitude (T_fi) derived from the Schrödinger equation and its subsequent use in the context of the relativistic Klein-Gordon equation. Participants are examining the compatibility of these concepts within quantum field theory (QFT).

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of using the transition amplitude (T_fi) derived from a first-order time equation (Schrödinger equation) in the context of a second-order time equation (Klein-Gordon equation).
  • Another participant challenges the assumption that the application of T_fi is incorrect, suggesting that the derivation may still hold under certain conditions.
  • A further response elaborates on the distinction between first-order and second-order equations in quantum mechanics and quantum field theory, indicating that the treatment of fields and wave-functions differs significantly.
  • It is noted that in QFT, the Hamiltonian generates first-order equations for wave-functionals, which complicates the direct application of nonrelativistic perturbation theory.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the applicability of nonrelativistic perturbation theory to relativistic contexts, with no consensus reached regarding the validity of using T_fi in the Klein-Gordon framework.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in the assumptions made about the applicability of nonrelativistic perturbation theory to relativistic scenarios, as well as the dependence on definitions of fields and states in quantum field theory.

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Hi

I'm referring to the book Quarks and Leptons (Halzen, Martin). On pages 79-82 nonrelativistic perturbation theory is investigated (i.e. by using the Schroedinger equation, which is first order in time). On Page 85, however, the transition amplitude (T_fi) is used that has been derived on pages 79-82. However, in this chapter (chapter 4) the Klein-Gordon equation is investigated (which is relativistic as well as second order in time).
How can this be right?

thx
 
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why should it be wrong?
 
Well , the derivation of T_fi (on pages 79-82) uses the fact that the Schroedinger equation is first order in time. If a second order equation is substituted, a differential equation for the coefficients (a_f) results that is quite different from the simple differential equation that results from a first order equation.

In addition it is written in the book that these derivation is (only) a recapitulation of non-relativistic perturbation theory. However, then it is used in the next chapter for the (relativistic) Klein Gordon equation (without any mention as to why this is applicable).

thx
 
Quantum mechanics is always first order in time. In QFT you need to distinguish between the field and the wave-function, which actually turns into a wave-functional. The equations of motion for the field is turned into a Lagrangian, and then into a Hamiltonian, and it is this Hamiltonian that generates the first-order equations for the wave-functional. It is customary, however, to starting hiding the state when talking about QFT, and instead refer only to the operators. In that case, the field is a field of operators, and one can write a 2nd order differential equation for it; states are then referred to by the operators used to construct them from the vacuum state.
 

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