Peter Doherty On Covid with Informative Video That Is A Must Watch

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The discussion revolves around Peter Doherty's insights on Covid, particularly focusing on the unique characteristics of the virus, its effects on the human body, and the implications for understanding long Covid. Participants share their thoughts on the educational value of a video linked in the thread and explore various aspects of Covid's impact on health.

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  • Some participants highlight the educational value of the video linked to Peter Doherty's work, suggesting it is crucial for understanding Covid.
  • There is a discussion about the distinction between Covid and other respiratory diseases, with some arguing that Covid's ability to infect multiple organs makes it particularly dangerous.
  • One participant notes that Covid is unique in being the only human respiratory viral disease that can enter the bloodstream, while others challenge this claim by referencing diseases like Malaria, HIV, and Hepatitis.
  • Micro clots are mentioned as a significant concern, with participants expressing uncertainty about their implications and connection to long Covid symptoms, such as brain fog.
  • Experiences with long Covid are shared, with one participant describing symptoms that persist despite normal test results, raising questions about the underlying causes of these effects on the central nervous system.

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Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the uniqueness of Covid and its effects. While some acknowledge the dangers posed by Covid compared to the flu, others challenge specific claims about its characteristics. The discussion remains unresolved on several points, particularly regarding the implications of micro clots and long Covid.

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Participants reference varying definitions of disease and the complexity of Covid's effects on the body. There are limitations in the discussion regarding the lack of empirical data to support some claims and the need for further research into long Covid and its symptoms.

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Hi All

I mentioned I was reading Peter Doherty's book on Covid. Good book. But it turns out there was no need to buy it even though it was cheap. He has it all on his institute's website, plus stuff he has written since releasing the book.

Here it is:
https://www.doherty.edu.au/news-events/setting-it-straight

I think the video is a MUST watch - extremely educational. Here is a separate link for convenience:


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Bill
 
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bhobba said:
I will do a separate post linking to it; I think it is so important.
It is a bit like usual: Those who actually must watch the video won't, or won't trust even a Nobel laureate, and the others already know its content. I hope your threads will reach at least some of the first group!
 
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Unfortunately, as you point out, it is the same with a lot of things posted here. We have two types of people posting; those knowledgeable in the subject, which accounts for many people, and those who come here with basic knowledge and want to know more, who seem to be in the minority.

I thought I knew a bit about Covid, but I didn't know it was the only human respiratory viral disease that gets into the blood. I knew it got into the blood but didn't know it was unique like that. The flu, for example, can, but hardly ever does.

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Bill
 
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bhobba said:
I thought I knew a bit about Covid, but I didn't know it was the only human viral disease that gets into the blood.
It depends on how you define disease. Think about Malaria, HIV or Hepatitis. I think he wanted to make sure that people understand that it is not something like the flu and that it often infects multiple inner organs, which is why it is so dangerous. To me, the micro clots were new. I knew that it spreads, but not how, i.e. that the micro clots are the problem. Instead of uniqueness, which I think cannot be stated in general, he might have better emphasized the tiny blood vessels in e.g. our kidneys. This fact makes micro clots a macro concern. Micro sounds little, but it isn't.
 
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I think he wanted to make sure that people understand that it is not something like the flu and that it often infects multiple inner organs, which is why it is so dangerous.

Indeed. I had to rewrite my response a couple of times to get the message right. Sepsis from the flu, while rare, can and does occur. When it does happen, it is serious. As you say, its purpose likely is so people understand just how bad Covid is. It is not just another flu. I didn't know about the micro clots either; I am not up to that in his book. It possibly has something to do with long Covid, especially the symptom of brain fog. Further research is needed.

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Bill
 
I know of a woman who died from sepsis , she had Covid, she was older and bit weak, Covid took her over quite fast.
I don't have data on this but from what I know in the people that have been sick is that On average those who don't develop pneumonia (Covid doesn't spread to lungs) get over much easier than those that do develop pneumonia. I guess it could be explained that once in the lung tissue it has a larger total area from which to spread further into the blood etc?

I also now understand long Covid much better, I myself had a medium long Covid for a few months, all tests came back fine even excellent and yet I felt bad, it seems long Covid is mostly due to CNS effects.
The thing I still can't figure out is what exactly is wrong with the CNS chemically given (for me) all blood tests were good. I did both vitamins and immune markers, inflammation ones etc pretty much all that was on the list. I read others have an almost similar experience - blood tests are fine, CT scans and MRI's show no physical damage etc, yet the feeling is that of a sick person with wildly varying symptoms yet none of them physical.

Honestly the best way to describe it is - like chasing a ghost.
 

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