Phase change Melting ice with hot tea.

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The discussion revolves around a thermodynamics problem involving the phase change of ice and the heat transfer between hot tea and crushed ice. Participants are tasked with calculating the final temperature of the mixture after the ice melts and the resulting water is heated by the tea.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculations related to heat loss from the tea and heat gain by the ice. There is an exploration of the correct setup for the equations involving the final temperature as a variable. Questions arise regarding the assumptions made in the calculations and the interpretation of the heat transfer processes.

Discussion Status

Some participants have identified errors in the original calculations and are revising their approaches. Guidance has been offered regarding the setup of equations, and there is an acknowledgment of the need to clarify the mass of the mixture. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly concerning the final temperature and the heat transfer involved.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may impose specific requirements for the calculations and assumptions about the system's behavior.

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Homework Statement



175 cm3 of hot tea at 87°C are poured into a very thin paper cup with 80 g of crushed ice at 0°C. Calculate the final temperature of the "ice tea". (Hint: think about two processes: melting the ice into liquid and, maybe, warming the liquid.)

Homework Equations



Q=mc(deltaT)
Q=mL

The Attempt at a Solution



First, I calculated the heat loss by the tea:
Q1=(.0175)(4186)(87)=63731.9J

Then the heat needed to melt the ice:
Q2=(0.08)(33.5e4)=26800J

Heat gain by the melted ice-water
Q3=(.08)(4186)(87)=29134.6J

Then Q(final)= Q1-Q2-Q3
=7797.34J

Set it equal to the entire system
7797.34J=(0.255)(4186)(T)

My answer is 7.3 deg Celsius, which is wrong. I can't seem to find what I did wrong!
Please help! Thanks.
 
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Hi lwaiyipl, welcome to PF.
Since Q1> Q2, temperature of the tea does not reach zero degree. So rewrite the first and third equation taking θ as the final temperature of the mixture.
 
Hey rl.bhat, thanks for the reply. But I still don't quite get it. If I make the final temperature as a variable, θ, then I will get θ=102.437 deg Celsius, which is hotter than the original 87 deg.
ARRGH, I am pulling my hairs out for this problem!
 
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In Q1 temperature will be (87- θ)
In Q3 temperature will be θ and mass of the mixture will be ...?
 
I see that the work I showed at the first post is incorrect, it's 0.175 instead of 0.0175.
So
Q1=(0.175)(4186)(87-θ)

Q2=(0.08)(33.5e4)

Q3=(0.175+0.08)(4186)(θ-0)

Am I setting it up correctly?
I have a question about Q3, why do we add the tea with the melted ice-water? Aren't we calculating for the amount of heat needed to raise the melted ice-water from 0 deg to θ?
 
Yes. You are right.
 
Thanks rl.bhat. Sorry about late reply. I got the answer now!
 

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